Lucy Letby ( To understand)

[PassingStranger]

What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

@Conniebygaslight I cannot get this,My feeling is something later on will come out &they got it wrong 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, this.

It's a question to which there'll never be an answer because psychopathic serial killers never admit what they did or why they did it. It's the last vestige of power they can hold on to when it's all up and they know they will never again taste what freedom is like beyond the confines of prison. Normal empathetic human beings can never understand, because thankfully it's beyond most of our comprehension.

There's a playbook and these types seem to follow it to the letter. But the evidence that they enjoy inflicting gratuitous suffering is a little more marked in this case, with Letby's numerous Facebook searches of the grieving parents of babies she had killed.

She did it because she wanted to, because once she'd started she clearly found she enjoyed it, and because she could.

Well many people are mentally ill but not murderous or evil, so it's not a given is it?

I think she, like Beverly Allitt before her, enjoyed creating the drama. Didn't care at all who she hurt.

Psychopath who needs to weild power over the vulnerable.

How do you propose people "try to find out", @PassingStranger ?

LL denies that she committed the crimes, period. She's not one of those serial killers who's happy to sit down with the psychiatrists and journos and explore the murky depths of her psyche.

That may change, given time. But for the moment, she is claiming innocence.

I dunno I feel for someone like her perhaps she had delusions of grandeur where all those things you listed were normal and not amounting to the absolute centre of the universe she wanted to be. Also some people are just really really evil and really jealous so they can amount to what most of society strives for and this is nothing in their eyes.

This is purely gossip so much so im using a username i used recently.
Some believe she had a miscarriage with married doctor which kicked started all this.

I think it's interesting how sympathetic people are towards her compared to other murderers, the almost desperate need for it not to be her. Do you think it's just because she's a woman? There's certainly no sympathy to male murderers of children.

It's because the case against her was weak

But the world is full of people who commit evil deeds really carelessly- they are simply unconcerned about consequences for the person/animals they commit them against.
People who train and fight dogs.
People who hunt animals and watch them ripped apart terrified and in pain.
People who hurt animals- kick, hit, torture them, kill them.
Men who assault women- physically, sexually.
Men who assault children.
People who sell drugs.
People like Putin.
People who carry out violent acts- carry knives, guns, machetes.
People who torture other people.
Murderers.

They are not all mad- they may not have a conscience, or care about causing harm to others/animals.

Some are mad - unfit to plead because they act in a way out of their control because of a mental condition. I don't think those people should ever be released from secure hospital units if they have taken lives or caused life-changing injury. That they are, if assessed as having made enough progress, released into the community is disgraceful. Most remain likely to relapse and re-offend and the victims are usually women or vulnerable people.

Lucy Letby has been assessed as sane/fit to plead and is in a prison. She made a choice - for whatever reason. I don't think that it was babies is significant- it's about why does she choose to take lives. There is something in it for her that mattered more to her at the time than any pain or suffering she caused. The notes/writings found show she knew what she was doing and was scared of being found out- presumably she didn't want to face any consequences. Like last time she showed no emotions apart from some irritation at points during the court case. She is not accepting of her guilt which suggests she is either deluded (unlikely) or a narcissist and feels misunderstood and unfairly treated- which would be my guess. Her relationship with her parents seems to support this- adored child who could do no wrong in their eyes.

We allow many people to commit cruel, evil acts every day and don't condemn them as mad.

I don't think you can prevent Lucy Letbys existing, she claims she is innocent and we don't know what would motivate her.

I do think that the unit was very poorly managed, that there were lots of deficiencies in terms of infrastructure, and that death rates were high elsewhere as well, all of which meant that when the alarm was raised, it wasn't acted on and other babies died. I suggested once on here that they should have installed CCTV on the wards at that point and was shouted down, because of course you would prefer to have privacy on these wards, but by then they thought there was a high death rate and had already suspected her. I think not proceeding with better safeguards at that point was probably negligent.

I think that ties in with the 'playing God' scenario - watching life hang in the balance and then sounding the alarm when it's just too late to be effective. Creepy af.

I would urge you to listen the trial of LL, she's not innocent.

You can't possibly say this unless you were on the jury and had access to all the evidence they were shown.
The Doctor speaking on radio about finding her standing so calmly without sounding the alarm certainly sounds quite compelling too.

I followed the whole thing. The whole case was just like well it had to be someone's fault

The evidence certainly seems circumstantial, I'm not entirely convinced she is guilty, but I also think it could be some form of unconscious bias, not sure, it all feels a bit off to me.

Agreed. According to Hannah Arendt's 'Origins of Totalitarianism' the very face of the human constract that is 'evil' is banality. Rudolph Hoess, the first commandant of Auschwitz who divised the gas chambers as an effective method of mass killing, was certainly not 'acting on orders'. He was not only an active participant in that process, he engineered it, spearheaded it and brought the act of mass murder to maximum brutal efficiency.

According to those who knew him he was a boring man who was often described as being like a grocer. How familiar this is to the new (yet not-so-new) rhetoric of the Vanilla Killer.

We call people monsters because we want to otherise their behaviour; to differentiate between ourselves and them. In fact, their actions are entirely human. As a species we do horrible, horrible things to each other.

Said on the news she loved the drama of it all. Monster.

This is exactly what I think too.

It gave her a 'tie' to the doctor she had her sights set on

I think, maybe because she appears so normal, some people really struggle to accept the evil things she did? Maybe they find it deeply unsettling that this ‘nice’, trustworthy, professional woman who could easily have been one of their friends is actually a murderer, like it throws all their judgement and perceptions into question.

She didn’t even meet the doctor until the killings had already started so impressing him can’t be her motive (or at least not her initial one).

I feel the same as you OP, I just don’t understand how or why anyone could do this.

I do wonder if she didn't do it for attention or sympathy, maybe she did it just to see what would happen and followed it up to see how the parents reacted. Just sociopathic.

I imagine she doesn't see herself as a murderer either she probably justifies to herself those babies were going to die so her accelerating the process was a mercy in some twisted way. I don't think she'll ever admit it and we'll never really know.

My heart absolutley breaks, those little souls deserved a chance. I would struggle being one of the mothers affected. 😞 xx

I followed it all too, I'm not convinced she's guilty beyond reasonable doubt. I don't have an explanation for the tragic deaths but I didn't hear concrete evidence against her.

I do not think they will ever be able to know why and possibly the reasons why changed in time

but she made those choices again there isn’t always a reasoning why
sometimes it’s because they could

LL isn’t evil that lets her off gives her an excuse her actions are (if you want to use that word)