Lucy Letby ( To understand)

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What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I followed the trial and some of the evidence was really problematic. I am extremely suspicious of the doctor that had his face plastered all over the media as a whole "Saviour" of the situation.

I would be concerned that there will be an enquiry into the running of the NHS trust and it will demonstrate that there were systemic issues that might throw some of these convictions into serious doubt.

I have similar doubts. Much of the evidence, as reported, seems circumstantial. Obviously I couldn't say whether she is guilty or innocent, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were to be a review of the case at some point in the future.

If I may...
It's hard to get into this, but I believe she is basically a psychopath, however not overly intelligent.
The "control and power" gave her a thrill and also seeing the grief of the parents.
The way she killed these children didn't matter to her, as long as she wasn't the obvious culprit.
Most psychopaths, however, are intelligent and that includes self discipline, meaning if she stopped at two or three victims, she would be unlikely to get caught.
Ok, now pass the bucket.
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Maybe she just enjoyed inflicting pain
and watching the families suffer? I know that sounds simplistic but I have met many people in life that enjoy watching others suffer. I never got it before as if I see someone in pain even though I’m not close to them my heart aches for them. It took me a while to realise not everyone is like me. Some people enjoy watching others in pain. Simplest answer but I think that’s the reason.

Or maybe my mind just cannot comprehend it. I don't know

Some of the babies died because they were given insulin. That doesn't happen accidentally.

I listened to all of this and thought there was reasonable doubt. Obviously the jury heard more details though.

Harold Shipman killed for financial gain, not just because he wanted to ‘play god’ although that may have come into it.

And that's why on some of the counts she wasn't charged, the jury clearly didn't think it was beyond reasonable doubt.

The police took over a year investigating it properly .

People don't like to think she's guilty because she's pretty,slim and young. If she was a 'fat old hag' people would be baying for her blood not trying to understand the reasons she did it.

i also think she’s undoubtedly a psychopath, it’s just working out what went so wrong, is it a matter of upbringing and life experiences or was she just born evil, genetically predisposed to end up this way

I haven’t really followed this case so only know the basics. Regarding the prison thing, my brother, a mass murderer, got sent to a prison first. He ended up in a secure mental hospital in the end, one he’ll never be released from. So assessments happen and transfers are made. LL may be moved to a more secure facility in time.

Pretty sure she was having an affair with a married doctor colleague? And suspect she was so infatuated with him that it was her motivation behind her actions. Most normal people still wouldn't do what she did, just that she's a psychopath as well. There are quite a lot of cases where mother's end up neglecting and abusing their own kids because of a new boyfriend in their lives, often ends up with one or both of them causing the child's death. I think there are some similarities here, and she had access to lot's of other people's delicate babies.

I don't like that the male doctor was given so much protection - allowed to give evidence from behind a screen etc, as I think his behaviour played a part in the dreadful outcome.

Or (and this is a pretty wild theory), she was just really, really unlucky. Wasn't all the evidence circumstantial? And it was statistics that indicated her involvement - that the probability of her being on duty when all these deaths happens was incredibly remote? Like winning the lottery remote. But people do with the lottery, and every now and then the stars align and improbably things happen. I've not followed the court cases that closely, so I might have missed some other crucial evidence that proves her guilt beyond the statistical anomaly?

She didn’t meet the married doctor until after the killings had already started.

I've worked in prison. You have to be very mentally unwell to go to a forensic psychiatric unit. Lucy although is not of sound mind she is more than able to function day to day in a normal prison so resides there. They only move you if there is risk to self/others are the person is so unwell they can't cope in normal prison.
I think she has deep rooted issues and she enjoyed the drama, attention and excitement she got from being in the drama of it all. So very sad

Power.
A detective once told me there’s only 3 motives for crime - power, sex, money.
( the sex motive doesn’t refer to rape, that is power.)

I’m confused do you think nurses are “pathetic losers who will never amount to anything” ?

I'm afraid to have to tell you but its because she enjoyed doing it, for a variety of reasons. Difficult to believe I know.

A psychiatrist called Andrew van der Vaart gives the best formulation of her personality an behaviour that I know of. He's on YouTube.

That situation must be very hard on you, there must’ve been (probably still is) a lot to deal with. I hope you have love and support.

Hasn't she made friends with other child killers in prison or was that made up?

Actually my understanding is you can be or are born as a psychopath but for some reason some psychopaths live normal lives.

www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/

I've worked in forensic units. You will never understand why she did it because you are looking at the world through a completely different lens to her. Your perception is filtered through an empathic lens that literally doesnt exist in her brain. Its like asking an apple tree to produce bananas- the two have different roots and will therefore produce completely different fruits.

Psychopathic brains dont respond to emotional cues like "typical" brains - research has shown this. So, combine a genetic disposition towards psychopathy with a dysfunctional childhood and you have the perfect storm for behaviour such as hers.

Her behaviour was so extreme that its thankfully rare to find individuals doing what she did but there are many people with psychopathic traits or NPD who exist in our society and are in positions of power that fly close to the boundaries of the law and get away with it, or, they manage to stay just within the confines of legality despite their behaviour being completely lacking in empathy and being wholly unethical.

I don't think it's possible to make a judgement on a trial purely from what is reported contemporaneously. In the Letby trial a lot of evidence was withheld from being reported. That gives a very incomplete/ skewed view.

I find it hard to read anything about her anymore. My daughter is a paediatric nurse and I struggle to find a reason for what Lucy Letby did. I think she liked the attention of being the saviour, first on the scene and seen as some sort of rescuer. I would like to think she did not intend to kill and that she intended to just do enough to cause a dramatic situation. I think she thrived on the drama, the attention of both creating the emergencies and then to be seen as the caring, empathetic, sympathetic nurse dealing with the aftermath. I don't believe she was born evil. I think it fulfilled a need in her that she was obviously lacking and not getting from elsewhere.

As well as all those parents I also feel for her parents, an only child and that happened. Do I think she is Mentally Unwell? Yes but unsure of what her diagnosis would be.

She got off on the pain she caused. She’s an evil woman who got pleasure from the utter distress and despair of bereaved parents.

What about revenge? Wanting to protect someone you love?

No one will ever know, but I think she decided some babies shouldn’t live, for reasons she alone knew.