Lucy Letby ( To understand)

[PassingStranger]

What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

There’s growing swell of deep concern about the complete lack of scientific evidence for either a. Murder/s or b. Any link with LL.

For anyone interested: the Rachel Aviv article in the New Yorker is the place to start. And the podcast: “We Need to Talk about Lucy Letby”. There is also a highly critical blog by a retired doctor here: https://jameganx.notepin.co/
Now the case is no longer sub judice I think more analysis will follow.

there was a criminal profiler i believe im not sure who was that said something similar to you could be good and no one will remember your name, but do something omg and you will gain infamy and make the history books @PassingStranger

There’s actually no evidence they were given insulin. That’s simply inference made from the insulin vs c peptide levels. There are other explanations which were not given to the court.

i guess would something be like eg most would be happy with a eg 1st from an average university, but to some they would think omg i want a 1st from oxford to feel i have achieved something ?

It’s possible, of course. But I think if my family member was struck out of the NHS the crowdfunding for expensive interventions would actually feed the beast. She has a dipped her toes in that area already.

Lack of capacity and being detained in hospital are two completely separate things.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't she have nothing in her life, no boyfriend, husband, girlfriend or kids or pets, NADA - just work?

This isn't the case at all, she had loads of friends. From school, from university and from work. Sone of their texts were read out in the trial.

She had her own home and a decent job like lots of women her age. Not having a husband and children is normal at that age when you you have been to university.

I think it was because deep down that she felt she would or could never be a parent or have a happy relationship (see doctor affair) that she decided to do what she did.
Also agree about the drama it would have created and given her attention that she craved from the doctor.
I will never understand.
I know people won't agree with this...but I feel sorry for her parents to be honest. She was their only child, obviously a clever woman who could have had a fruitful happy life.
Terribly sad.

Also she had two cats.

Lack of capacity has EVERYTHING to do with being detained under the mental health act. It is literally the foundation of the decision to detain.

The fact is there is nothing to explain her behaviour. You could speculate until you're blue in the face, but there is nothing you could definitively say. It sounds shit and simple, but that's pretty much it.

Two medical experts testified that insulin injected into the feed bags would have given the results found. Even Lucy Letby agreed they'd been given insulin. She just denied it was by her. If her defence team couldn't find a medical expert willing to give a more plausible explanation then I pay more heed to that than internet conspiracists.

The stupid thing is the attention from the doctor would have been shortlived.
He now couldn't give a shit about her and she won't ever see him again.

actually there is quite a bit of research in why seemingly good people do bad things etc

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lucifer-Effect-Good-People-Turn/dp/1846041031

The strange behaviours are just strange, inconsequential in my limited experience of one. You just think a bit of an oddbod to begin with, then they get a bit more and a bit bigger. And then things you feel you should believe don’t really add up but they’re not enough to challenge, they’re just about could be true, maybe some of them are true but which ones? As I said, my example harms herself not others, but I can sort of see how a situation like this could snowball into something very horrible with all the bystanders wondering at what point they should’ve realised

This is a good book to begin with

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-into-Darkness-Investigative-Penetrates/dp/0684833042

No. But therein lies a whole other can of worms. Could take over this thread unpicking the family dynamics.

I’m interested because I suspect a young person I know is similar. I am guessing the young needs psychological help.

I don't understand what you mean by this? Why are you saying that she never achieved anything or would amount to anything? She was a qualified NICU nurse. She had supportive and loving parents. She ostensibly had a good career and life ahead of her.
Instead she chose to murder babies, we need to work out what went wrong to try to prevent this happening ever again.

Psychopathy isn't a mental illness but a mental disorder that isn't treatable/preventable and can present differently in different people and therefore can be hard to detect. That's what many of these serial killers clearly have.

Yes I never understand the whole divide about whether people are 'mentally unwell' or not in criminal cases.....anyone who was mentally sane and sound would never dream of committing murder.
I think it lets alot of people off the hook when you start bringing all that into it (eg; the Nottingham murders)
If someone commits a serious crime, whatever their situation, they need to pay the price.
I'm very glad they haven't gone down the mental health path with Letby, or she would probably wouldn't have been receiving the harsh sentence and treatment she deserves (although personally I think the death penalty is the suitable treatment for people like her)

I do feel for the parents in the sense that she was their only, seemingly beloved child and she has turned into a monster....how do you ever move on from and come to terms with that....it sounds like they were (as far as we know) decent people who tried their best as parents.They were in denial for way too long though...it was an insult to those parents of the babies how they seemed to stand by Letby, despite the evidence being undeniable.

Confused by posts speculating on this outcome - she was pretty much caught in the act. No way she’s innocent - as the jury previously and today have concluded.

edited for better punctuation!