The "terrifying threat from Labour"

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I know that Tory HQ staff often come on here and post, and will be doing even more so at the moment.

I also know that Kier Starmer has done a terrible job in gender critical thinking, and members like him, Rayner and Lammy are currently an absolute shitshow when it comes to the rights and protections of women and children. I'm not looking forward to the battle we'll face after the election to reverse the damage that's been done and to protect those rights, and fully bring down all the MRA policies that have formally or informally kicked in over the last few years.

But does anyone else feel like the absolute barrage on here in the last few days about the Holy Bloody Handmaid Terror that will be Labour's government is a bit... overblown? A bit Tory HQ-flavoured? They're absolutely panicking at the moment and will do any kind of astroturfing they can to chip away at votes, particularly in swing constituencies like mine.

No party is perfect, and Labour is currently far from perfect for me and my children. But realistically, I have to vote Labour where I am if I want to keep a Tory candidate out. I hate their gender ID policies, but this nail-bitten tone of total and complete apocalypse (and yes, I've heard posters use that word in this context) feels unhelpful and not really equipping anyone to improve things after the GE. They made me feel extremely anxious until I just hit a wall with the frantic language, and now I'm feeling much more pragmatic and ready to fight with Labour on this stuff, rather than against them and allowing another party to get in.

So AIBU to feel that most of these posts are at least seeded by Tory HQ, rather than actual Labour voters like me?

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Is that because it’s ok for posh people to be “the idle rich” and anyone else who doesn’t work 24/7 till they drop is part of the feckless poor @hamstersarse ?

It's beyond bad 'enough' for women. But pretending that the single sex spaces will have anywhere near the impact that other policies will have for women is disingeuous.

You’re implying that people have low enough intelligence to take on board what they see on Mumsnet, planted or not, as gospel. The majority of people have already made their mind up who they’re going to vote for. So if it is planted stuff from Tory admin, they clearly don’t know what they’re doing, and they’re leaving it a bit too last minute for it to have any effect.

I voted YABU because I've been accused of being a Tufton St based Tory shill on here just for commenting on my worries around Labour adding VAT onto uni fees.

I'm nothing of the sort.

I think you're falling into the trap of assuming if someone has views you disagree with then they must be somehow dodgy and up to something, rather than an individual who just has different priorities to you.

I'd like to think so, but so many of my friends like me have been havering over voting Labour, and it just takes a few of these posts to nudge us into "well, never Labour then, I don't know who" and it only takes a handful of those to lose to Conservative in my constituency.

Exactly. Terrifies me. No future party are going to be brave enough to retract self ID once it becomes 'normal'. This generation of Labour voting women might just be the undoing of future generations of women. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not having that one on my shoulders.

@LoveSandbanks

"Terrified of Starmer, that’s a bit strong!
Our household income is around £140k a year. We’re voting Labour. Can’t bloody wait to get the tories out. The only thing that worries me about Starmer is that he’s not left enough.

Do I think we might pay more tax? Possibly. Do I think that might lead to a better NHS and education system? Almost certainly. Along with lifting a significant number of school children out of poverty."

Similar situation here.

I cannot wait.

And any small tax increase will be tiny compared to the thousands I've had to pay out for a private dentist. There isn't an NHS dentist left in my town. Another thing the Tories have fucking decimated.

Pay more tax and improve the NHS then PRAY they sort out this trans stuff because I'm not sure how many female nurses will tolerate men watching and perving at them in changing rooms?

Remember the impact the Brexit bus had. Everyone who understood Brexit knew it was a nonsense. It still made some people vote for Brexit.
I wish more people understood the economy. If you cared about the economy and jobs you would have voted Remain.
If you care about the economy and jobs you will vote for the Starmer Labour government.

No, it's not so much that everyone who disagrees must be Russian election interference, it's more the amount of threads and the extreme language used in some of them. To be fair, mostly MN posters respond with a far more equitable tone, it was just the wall of them these last few days with language more akin to a new rollercoaster at a theme park (YOU'LL LOSE YOUR MIND... AND YOUR WALLET).

Awful amount of people with the terrors on here. Shame mental health services have been run into the ground.

I earn significantly more than 50k p/a, as does almost everyone I know and work with (the nature of my industry, once established). I've got everything crossed for a Labour government. The same can be said for most people I talk to - though I'm conscious we all exist in our own echo chambers.

Some current tax policies are a bit shit (the 'cliff edge' at 100k and 125k are a bit wincey, tbh, but we can thank the Tories for the current tax gap) but if me paying more in tax means better public services and people in min wage jobs being able to afford to put food on the table by keeping a bit more of their pay then bring it on.

As for incentives for working hard - I grew up poor, and self-funded my graduate training and study with minimum wage jobs and eye-watering debt. I keep working hard because the more I earn the better my life is. I'm immensely privileged to have a well paid job and I'll keep striving to earn more as I like having the money to save, invest and spend. I didn't have that when I was at the start of my career on well under 30k a year.

As I've done since I turned 18, I'll be voting Labour. I hope the Tories get annihilated at the polls as look at the absolute state of this country courtesy of 14 years of Brexshit, Truss, Partygate etc. and their non-dom, PPE-exploiting pals.

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Our economy is in a terrible state. When the current Conservative government have had a decision to make around the economy, they always took the decision that shafted it. Instead they just tell us everywhere is the same. That is not true.

And a functioning NHS boosts the economy. It does not help the economy having people off long term sick waiting for a pretty simple operation.

Well i think yes, there is a huge risk of of us all loosing our minds if we are forced to look at a man in a dress and be forced to call him a woman...

That is Orwell 1984. I'm slightly above minimum wage and I don't think labour will benefit or help me at all.
My dd has mild sen and not a singled word about it schools have inspired me to to think they will help her.
My medical issues have taken years to even get near a consultant. I a still waiting but I am under no illusions that labour will sort that either.
. Because there is a fundamental lack of understanding as to what leads to sen issues in schools and so on.

It's ridiculous, it should be a walk in the park, we should all be feeling jubilant esp someone like me.
Instead they are winning purely because of everyone is fed up with the tories.

Starmer is a centrist. The current policies show the Labour government understands the economy. That is why major Conservative donors and big businesses are now giving to Labour.
I believe in strong public services. But to pay for them we have to have a strong economy, lots of jobs, and decent levels of pay.

OP, YANBU. Those of you who are 'terrified' of Starmer would be better employed being terrified of Donald Trump and what he will be able to do when people who are 'terrified' of Biden elect him.

This is like the Brexit bus all over again. Lies told to people who do not understand economic policy so they will vote against their own interests.
And major ex conservative donors and big businesses are now donating to the Labour party because they understand Starmer is a far better bet for a strong economy.

@Alwaystired94 its disingenuous or perhaps short sighted to imply that a woman in a shelter for abused women has to contend with a man in a dress :that won't make it worse for her.

Women at the bottom of the pile having extra threats piled on then :won't make a bad situation worse.

Even a tried nurse at the end of a tough shift being subjected to unpleasant perv behavior because some one can legally say, I belong in here..

YABU to use the term supermajority. It’s not a thing in the context of Parliament. It makes no difference as long as there’s a clear majority and nobody got all upset when Johnson had an unassailable 80 seat majority. You’ve bought into a Tory scare tactic. I’m sick of this sort of nonsense from them.

No, you're right, I've apologised for using that term.

Rape Centers should be and will be single sex, this example has been given. In reality, a man in a dress in a rape center will not make it worse for that woman. Considering most likely she's been attacked by a partner, ex, family member or friend.

Just because you believe this is the biggest issue does not mean it is true. The vast majority of the population do not agree with you that it is the biggest issue. Even among GC it's not universally believed to be the biggest hurdle women are facing. In reality, the amount of women who are attacked is outrageously high. We as a society need to fix that. Single sex spaces will not save more lives than effectively investigating and prosecuting offenders.

@JaneV1984Madness there have been major cuts to shelters/refuges under this government. Women with children who are being abused can no longer get a place.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under this government. Or does rape of a woman only matter when the perpetrator is a Trans person?
Refuges already have an exemption under the law, some just choose not to use it.