The "terrifying threat from Labour"

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I know that Tory HQ staff often come on here and post, and will be doing even more so at the moment.

I also know that Kier Starmer has done a terrible job in gender critical thinking, and members like him, Rayner and Lammy are currently an absolute shitshow when it comes to the rights and protections of women and children. I'm not looking forward to the battle we'll face after the election to reverse the damage that's been done and to protect those rights, and fully bring down all the MRA policies that have formally or informally kicked in over the last few years.

But does anyone else feel like the absolute barrage on here in the last few days about the Holy Bloody Handmaid Terror that will be Labour's government is a bit... overblown? A bit Tory HQ-flavoured? They're absolutely panicking at the moment and will do any kind of astroturfing they can to chip away at votes, particularly in swing constituencies like mine.

No party is perfect, and Labour is currently far from perfect for me and my children. But realistically, I have to vote Labour where I am if I want to keep a Tory candidate out. I hate their gender ID policies, but this nail-bitten tone of total and complete apocalypse (and yes, I've heard posters use that word in this context) feels unhelpful and not really equipping anyone to improve things after the GE. They made me feel extremely anxious until I just hit a wall with the frantic language, and now I'm feeling much more pragmatic and ready to fight with Labour on this stuff, rather than against them and allowing another party to get in.

So AIBU to feel that most of these posts are at least seeded by Tory HQ, rather than actual Labour voters like me?

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Excellent response.

Absolute shite. My friendship group largely exists of people earning over £50k - we are all voting Labour and all accept that taxes improve public services. Not rocket science 🙄

How can you want to vote this person into power? It is stunningly stupid.

https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1806753236302610664

If you met this person down the pub, would you really think "yay what a guy!" ?

I don't get it, it is there in front of your eyes how idiotic they are

omg the horror that a MAN wants to actually be involved with his family?
how AWFUL. Imagine us being a country that prioritises a work life balance?

i agree with labour wanting to spend major money on health and education. But. I don’t think that their sources of funding will materialise as they have laid it out.

I have no idea why a non dom wouldn’t run away to Monaco, for example. Those kind of people must have teams of tax people. I just don’t see them coughing up 5bn. It just seems so convenient and easy for us to think oh we’re in the shit with lots of stuff, let’s have some unicorn super rich sort it out. Nobody seems to question this money magically appearing.

also, whilst I would be happy to pay a bit more tax, I think a raid on private education (a raid which is illegal under EU law), is very wrong. Most of the people who’ve dreamt this up have no current experience of private school and also, many economists have said it won’t raise money - for various reasons. To be clear, I appreciate state schools need money and I want them to have it. But again, I do not believe money from this source will materialise as estimated by labour and having been inside private schools for the past 15 years, some of the assumptions that labour have made are so far out of touch. Out of another century.

where is the money coming from?????

I was thinking the same thing this morning, OP. It’s been proven that social media manipulation was at play during the last election hasn’t it.

You forgot to mention that this was on one day a week when he prioritises his family.

I have no issue with that if he works hard the rest of the time and gets stuff done.

Well done you,

But you do realise people who might not be voting Labour generally don't tell you. The reason being they generally get called 'racist bigot Hitlers' by the #bekind folks

@Alwaystired94 Lammy said live on radio that he understood that transwomen could have a cervix after appropriate hormones and treatment etc.

WTAF?

I think he might be a bit thick, actually.

Maybe don't vote for parties that say nice things about Hitler?

I haven't ever referred to a Tory as as a Hitler. Reform? Definitely.

Sorry, I do agree with you about the difficulties of giving a party a mandate and then wanting them to do the opposite, and I also agree with you that MN women are brilliant educators and fighters in the battle against all the TRA rubbish. I don't think the GC women on here are Tory HQ, and I didn't mean it as a shorthand that anyone questioning Labour = Tory bots.

I think we've applied pressure, we've done our best to bang drums and draw attention, and the ship is slowly turning around. I also think Starmer has pathetically done his best not to make any waves and lose any votes by mumbling this stuff about men's cervixes, and that's not at all what I want from a leader. But we do work on a constituency system, and I 100% cannot let a Tory MP win here because I think Starmer is too weak to say what the vast majority in the country accepts is the functional truth.

Tories will not be better for women, despite Kemi Badenoch's excellent efforts. I think once the fuss dies down, Labour will actually end up helping women more, in the long term (if they get a long term).

Gosh really? I didn’t know that. So all my friends are lying to me - they’re very good actors 🙄

@hamstersarse why are you repeating a lie?
Starmer said in an interview that he always takes Friday evening after 6pm off to spend with his family. It is very sensible for people in very busy jobs to carve out a bit of time that is set aside for family. And one evening a week is not much time.

I don't disagree but I also think that having that as your thread title might be an own goal quite frankly!

I'm not trying to persuade you to change your vote so you have no need to justify your reasons to me.

@hamstersarse I earn over £50k, as does Dh. We are both voting Labour as are many of our friends who are higher rate tax payers.

I'm voting for the party who I believe will be best for the country, not the best for me personally.

Never spewed Tory hate? You must be a very rare Labour party voter, it's in the DNA

I noticed it when I grew up and moved more to the right. I had never had any viciousness from the right when I was a loud member of the Labour party, yet one slight move to the right, small c conservative, and the vitriol that comes your way from the left is relentless.

And yeah, Farage is very like Hitler, you are totally right

https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/1807445277625794737

labour and the gender issue is terrifying. But anything else under Labour? I’m not scared at all. What is there to be scared of? Maybe I’m missing something.

I think it shows a man with integrity who isn’t ashamed to believe that families matter.

It shows principles. That’s something that’s been missing from Government for a long time.

This is a massive issue: I don't want a Prime Minister who I'd like down the pub.

I want an educated, experienced and informed person who is willing to make difficult decisions for the long-term benefit of the UK, regardless of how charismatic they are or how hilarious they appear on HIGNFY.

Do I think Starmer is acting like he's informed and sensible on gender? No.
Do I think there's a chance he'll turn his brain on over it eventually? Yes.

We got our pub-mate leader in Boris Johnson. And that was fucking beyond disastrous.

OP I agree with you. I am not a Labour voter. I am a centrist who has voted both Conservative and Labour.
Starmer is a centrist. His policies are classic middle of the road ones that are good for the economy and good for public services. The extreme left wing hate him as do the extreme right wing. So seeing the scaremongering on here is laughable.
If the posts were being accurate they should be from people on the extreme left wing bemoaning the fact that it would have been a different government under Corbyn. The posts are totally inaccurate and simply painting a vision of a current Labour party that bares zero resemblance to the reality.
I mean look at the facts, Traditional Conservative major donors and businesses are backing Starmers Labour. They understand that what he is proposing will be good for business and good for the economy.

The real wealthy in this country don’t earn by going to work. They live off investments. Earning £50k is not at all wealthy. I hope Labour realise that.

Maybe / maybe not but I guess we’ll see after the GE

Yes, I agree with all of this too.

I know this is the tactic of most GEs, but even more so this one feels a bit "Does everyone want a unicorn? We'll get you all unicorns! And whoever you think is a baddie will pay for it!!"

On a Friday evening. As his wife and children are Jewish, and it's a sacred family time.

I'm sure that he works waaaayy past 6pm most evenings, and over weekends. Which is why he prioritises one evening a week as family time.