The "terrifying threat from Labour"

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I know that Tory HQ staff often come on here and post, and will be doing even more so at the moment.

I also know that Kier Starmer has done a terrible job in gender critical thinking, and members like him, Rayner and Lammy are currently an absolute shitshow when it comes to the rights and protections of women and children. I'm not looking forward to the battle we'll face after the election to reverse the damage that's been done and to protect those rights, and fully bring down all the MRA policies that have formally or informally kicked in over the last few years.

But does anyone else feel like the absolute barrage on here in the last few days about the Holy Bloody Handmaid Terror that will be Labour's government is a bit... overblown? A bit Tory HQ-flavoured? They're absolutely panicking at the moment and will do any kind of astroturfing they can to chip away at votes, particularly in swing constituencies like mine.

No party is perfect, and Labour is currently far from perfect for me and my children. But realistically, I have to vote Labour where I am if I want to keep a Tory candidate out. I hate their gender ID policies, but this nail-bitten tone of total and complete apocalypse (and yes, I've heard posters use that word in this context) feels unhelpful and not really equipping anyone to improve things after the GE. They made me feel extremely anxious until I just hit a wall with the frantic language, and now I'm feeling much more pragmatic and ready to fight with Labour on this stuff, rather than against them and allowing another party to get in.

So AIBU to feel that most of these posts are at least seeded by Tory HQ, rather than actual Labour voters like me?

<hard hat donned>

Yeah, all sounds lovely. Spend time with your family, prioritise. Fabulous.

But it stinks to me of some bullshit he's read on a motivational post on LinkedIn.

He's going to be the PM FFS

Agreed. It's a shame people in positions of power are choosing to say these things, or feeling they have to.

Op im a swinging voter, I have no tribal allegiance to any party and I've voted Labour more than anyone else else.

I am fairly new to understanding the horror of stonewall etc the deep reach into our schools and councils, and the brain washing of right think into our young.

Rosie Duffield and jk Rowling and many mntter have brought it to my attention and the more one researched and learned about it all the more horrified I am.

I do genuinely feel it's panic stations. However keir did say one clear statement on it. This is really important and something to do hold him too.

I just think of the Rotherham scandal under labour and how everyone around the abused girls struggled to call it out for fear of being called racist.

Im worried the same will happen with trans issues and it will become a hate crime to not want a man fling a smear test because he called himself female.

Oh god, I am part of the clickbait problem

How can you say you want an educated and informed person and equate that with David Lammy saying men can grow a cervix?

I think you are living in a dream world if you think Starmer will shift on the trans issue. He has had PLENTY of time - what do you think is stopping him right now to shift his opinion?

If you say, the far left party members, it's not really a great reason. In fact, shows him up even more to be a man of no integrity at all.

The Conservative government have had 14 years to change the law on Trans issues. They have done nothing. They proposed Self D and then did a U turn.
The Conservatives do not give a stuff about Transgender people or womens rights. They are playing you.
Judge people by what they do, not what they say. If they cared about these issues they would have done something. They have done nothing.

Do mean mean done nothing other than close the Tavistock gender clinic and make it illegal for children to have HRT or transition mutiliation surgery?

The hysteria on here about Labour and women’s rights is ridiculously overblown and stops Any meaningful debate on any other issue. In fact all it does is silence women on any other topic because every political thread is immediately deluged by people (bots? Tory plants?) wringing their hands about the incoming Labour apocalypse.

what do you think is stopping him right now to shift his opinion?

I think he’s very sensibly avoiding the complete media pile on that would follow, drowning out every other discussion on important issues like health and the economy. I am GC myself but I do not believe that it should be the single most important issue in this GE.

The Tory election campaign has been abysmal.

Once disaster after another and it seems that now all they have left is random and increasingly desperate scaremongering or lies.

Frankly, anyone with a bit of common sense just looks back at the past 14 years and how everything in this country has gone downhill and realises it is time for a change.

Labour, Lib Dem and the Greens make sense depending on where you live and tactical voting.

But suggesting the Tories of the Reform lunatics are good options is pure madness.

You don’t think it’s terrifying now but just you wait until they clear out your pension to fund the construction of a basket weaving therapy centre for LGBTQIA+ refugees and tax you at 95%.

It’s clearly not ‘silencing’ you

Why not pick up the issue you want and someone might respond

"single issue feminist".

It is the biggest issue: if the definition itself is not correct or corrupted!

Never spewed Tory hate? You must be a very rare Labour party voter, it's in the DNA

I noticed it when I grew up and moved more to the right. I had never had any viciousness from the right when I was a loud member of the Labour party, yet one slight move to the right, small c conservative, and the vitriol that comes your way from the left is relentless.

And yeah, Farage is very like Hitler, you are totally right

I said i never called them Hitler, not that i haven't disagreed with them. I'm friends with Tory voters and friends with someone married to a councilor. So i wouldn't say all Tories are X. But what i can say is the overrall party is corrupt and has done nothing but cause more devastation to women in this latest cycle in power. You're the one claiming that its in Labour voters DNA to be like that - how would you like it if i painted every Tory as hate filled?

I have the opposite personally. I've been verbally abused viciously for being a Labour voter.

Did i say Farage is 'like' Hitler? No i stated Parties that say nice things about Hitler. One of the things that makes me most proud to be British was our part as an Allied country.

The conservatives did not do that. The surgery was stopped by a court case.
An independent review criticised the Tavistock Clinic and made serious safeguarding allegations which meant that the NHS trust had no choice but to close it.
Either of these actions would have happened whoever was in government.

This is a fairly fast-moving thread so there's no reason you would have read all of my posts, but I absolutely don't include David Lammy's current attitudes as those of an educated or informed person. I think he's behaving idiotically at best, horribly misogynistically at worst.

I do think Starmer will change his mind though, because society is changing its mind. The more Cass reports and WPATH files and detransitioners and medical experts come out, the more the public realises this isn't a new civil rights movement, it's a men's rights movement that harms women and children in almost every part of life.

He's a centrist, not a boggle-eyed far lefty, and he's had years in the trenches of actual social-facing work. I think he's been hugely poorly advised the last few years, and he's wanted to take a few stands to make Labour feel a bit sexy and young and different to the Tories, and this was his weak, mistaken path.

But I think he'll quickly learn that it's no longer as popular a campaign as it once was.

Me, I'm petrified by the idea of a government that is not largely corrupt and almost totally incompetent. It's so different from what I'm used to.

Oh my goodness, that would be hilarious were it not so worryingly stupid.

Don't forget "and come into your home at night to take away all the banned books (and any Cis cuddly toys)"

No it isn't. The Rape crisis, cost of living and our healthcare system are some of the biggest. These are what the majority of people care about.

@Startingagainandagain

Many countries across the world and the eu are suffering after the global pandemic, Ukraine war and so on. A French lady was interviewed shortly after macron snap election and she moaned about exactly the same things we do.

People don't blame Blair and Brown for the credit crisis.

It's not healthy in any democracy to have one party going on and on and on. We must have checks and balances and change.

I'm happy to have a new administration, new eyes, fresh approaches and try new things.

However unfortunately seeing and hearing keir responses to the trans issue and his top team remind me of the bad things in the Blair and Brown days.
It's a very simple clear cut issue but all we have had is obfusticstion so on not convinced they will bring us what we want as a majority at all

If we get a centrist Labour party like the one under Tony Blair then I think we'll be fine.

If we get a left wing version then I really do fear the worst 🌈

I do wish that people realised that there is no such thing as a "supermajority" in our political system. It is a term from the US system, but here, if you have a majority you have majority. I guess this was the one part of the conservative campaign that didn't fail massively.

Rape has effectively been decriminalised by the current Conservatives. That is an issue that concerns me far more.
Or do you only care about rape if the perpetrator is trans?

IMO it can't get any worse. The tories have destroyed the country. Sunak is only in my default like Liz Truss was. They have clung on to the bitter end. It's going to take years to sort out the shitshow left behind from the Tories, I wish I could immigrate!!
Sunak will have plenty of time to watch his Sky TV soon. I'm sick of hearing about his parents working, what about him?! He grew up with top education, and every opportunity available to him. Hard work won't save the people his party has plunged into poverty.

I would love to see him volunteer to go on one of those life swap shows, and have to live on nothing!