To think there's going to be a Civil War in America

[LaurieFairyCake]

I mean, they're fucked aren't they

Now that Trump isn't getting prosecuted after today for the January 6th atrocities

And Biden 🤦‍♀️ - they might replace him

It's so awful - so terribly polarised

I think it's a real possibility

That’s because a vast majority of British people a way more left wing than Americans, the press reflects the cultural viewpoint of the average Brit and their social class (unfortunately) much more than in the US.

When I read the OP, I was reminded of a movie made about 25 years ago, called Arlington Road. In it, Jeff Bridges' character was so hell-bent on stopping a conspiracy that he unwittingly - and destructively - became the key player in the plot that he was trying to expose. Hysteria helps no-one, and I struggle to define it as anything else. I was surprised to see it come from the OP, because under various different names I have interacted - often agreed - with Laurie.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a thing. It doesn't mean that Trump isn't bad news. I've no idea whether he's good news or bad news. But when people lose their minds at the prospect of his presidency then there's no chance of rational, clear thinking or action. In fact, like Bridges, their emotions can be used against them, and to great effect. Or they could be the ones to start a war, unquestioningly convinced that they are on the side of the right and the just.

Stay frosty.

I think you are threatened because you keep calling me names and insulting me rather than addressing with facts.

Yes, that's the mechanism that was used to persuade many very ordinary people, who believed they were doing the right thing, to turn up in Washington on 6 January and try to prevent the states' votes from being counted.

They had been told they were being heroes preventing a Bad Thing happening.

That's the messaging they were receiving from the media they used – microtargeted social media particularly important for this, but some trad media was also amplifying Trump's claim he'd been cheated and that something Must Be Done.

Well your "thinking" is incorrect.

Most of those people that march about anything now in Washington are obsessed whatever topic they march about. It’s not representative of the American public. It’s very cultish and never accomplishes anything.

I’m not sure you are the best judge of that.

It's not the marching itself, it's the breaking into the Capitol to try to prevent Congress counting the votes sent there by the American people.

I think you know that.

I mean, January 6th 2020 could easily have gone another way and would that have a been a coup, or civil war, or what would we call that? So yea I don't think you're being unreasonable as whatever that was in 2020 seemed pretty close to the bone and way out there.

The Capitol Police held the doors open. I’ve seen the video. I think they are all nuts but Pelosi got what she wanted out of it.

I think there were several types of people there and not all were even legit Trump supporters. Just like Seattle and Portland.

Definitely ample crazy people there to support Trump, but it’s not representative of America at all. In fact I know someone that was there and he will hopefully be prosecuted soon. He’s truly nuts and a legit Trumper and I don’t think went inside but did enough outside to do prison time.

I think the video you saw wasn't real though, I also saw it but then fact checked it and it doesn't seem real. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/video-doesnt-prove-capitol-police-allowed-jan-6-protesters-to-enter-capitol/

Also what did Nancy Pelosi get? I didn't understand that part of your post. She didn't get attacked thank God! Her husband also almost got murdered recently and the bloke who tried to murder him just got sent to jail.

Who is 'they'?

I’ll watch it again.

Any thoughts about why Pelosi refused to staff the Capitol police properly and did not agree to have the National Guard there? It’s nonsensical particularly with what was going on around the country at the time in other places.

No doubt in my mind that anyone who was there is unstable. I actually think anyone that attends a Trump rally at all is just brainwashed and are component are obsessed and unhinged.

You say hyperbole, I say bullshit. Worse, I don’t think that Trump believes it’s hyperbole - I think he believes it to be true.

You seem to think that because I am arguing that Trump is a deranged, lying disgrace of a man that means I’m pro-Biden. I’m not - so slag him off all you like

I don’t think the man that broke into Pelosi’s home was a Trumpster.

Who is going to fight this "civil war" then? Given the vocal criticism Democrats have over the Capitol invasion/insurrection/protest in 2021, are they really going to engage in an armed conflict against their own government because a person they disagree with gets elected? Seriously? States don't have armies as such - the National Guard and State Defense Force are the closest equivalents - and are Democrat-leaning states genuinely going to start an all-out war? If so, against who? Given the official narrative is always South=Republican=Bad and North=Democrat=Good, if the Republicans win, I really can't see the Democrats starting a war.

Not at all, just think it’s an awful choice Americans have to make.

On another topic, Biden said in the debate he would overturn the ruling on Roe v Wade. He didn’t say by what mechanism. But if he cares so much about women, why didn’t he push to get a federal law passed during his presidency? Or over the many decades he was a Senator?

The first death we knew of from the insurrection was a Ashli Babbitt, shot after she and the people pressing around her smashed the glass of a door within the Capitol and she attempted to climb through it.

She was shot by a Capitol officer defending the way, after carrying on in the face of warnings that he had a weapon.

I have no idea what your claim "Capitol Police held the doors open" means in this context, or why you think it's relevant.

Even if the doors had been completely unlocked and undefended, that doesn't change the purpose of the crowd which had just come from Trump's speech, where he told them they were all going to march up to the Capitol and try to stop the votes being counted.

The fact they used violence and continued in the face of armed police illustrates they meant it and weren't just shooting their mouths off over a beer.

I see the Trumpanzees are here making their claims about the capitol police and Pelosi.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

I don't think we live in the same reality anymore.

You loose your point by name calling.

You "loose" your point by not being able to spell lose.

I don’t think so. You also lose your point with jumping on SPAG instead of making any point.

I guess that’s your best point. One person on the internet can’t spell.

Your best point, rather than deal with what was said, was to talk about name calling.

You aren't holding any kind of high ground here :)

Fact is the claims about the doors and about Pelosi are false.

Back on the point, that link above is from 2021. In 2023 41,000 hours of Jan 6th video from inside the Capitol was released.

You maybe correct, but your link does not prove much since at the time it was written all of the info we have today had not been released.