AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

Paranoid?? Stating the FACTS you are new poster sticking up for the truly unpatriotic Reform party!

😂 'Been at the gin he has.'

The bot accusations get a bit tedious and repetitive

I expect there are some pp voting for Reform, it’s picked up in the polls and people can post on here

Oh dear...... 🙄

the vote was very very close, and now we all know it was clearly heavily influenced and interfered with from many sides. I mean, even Farage said a 48/50 vote would be challenged and not valid. So much so the Electoral Commission said it would have had to cancel it had it been legally binding instead of advisory.

8 years later- it has proven to be even worse than predicted, and is costing the country, and all of us, a huge amount of money and so much more. And now, clearly, a VAST majority- between 70 and 80% agree it is a massively costly catastropy. THAT is democracy. Are you telling me that if we vote Labour in next week- we will have to be stuck with it forever, if they fail to deliver. I am sure you do not. Democracy means that if things don't work, we have the right to change it.

Because that's what elections are all about. You do get to vote repeatedly in a democracy, and sometimes the vote changes. The election this week will very likely give a different result from the one in 2019,

And referenda are also often repeated in countries that rely on them. If Switzerland had stuck forever with the result of their first referendum on women's suffrage, women STILL wouldn't have the vote there,

This thread has now officially jumped the 🦈

Yes but at the same time there are other that don’t believe in the liberal democracy my Grandad fought for. All aficionado waste of time if Reform get in! Russian Bot or Reform I don’t fucking care - both don’t align with freedom that my grandparents fought for. UNPATRIOTIC time wasters!

I don't think people thinking of voting REFORM are necessarily stupid thick racists - but I do think they are narrow minded and ill-informed, and a bit clueless about what Reform actually are. All they see is 'we will stop the boats' and 'we will stop foreign aid,' and 'we will get our country back!' (Even though we haven't lost it!)

People see this and think YAY NIGE! Not realising that Reform are in fact an utterly horrific shitshow. I can't work out why anyone who actually knows what they are like would vote for them.

Absolutely. People lost their lives to give us our freedom.

I don’t think that anyone who knows what they are really like would vote for them. The issue is people don’t really know what they are like. It’s all ‘stop immigration’ and ‘knowing what a woman is’ sound bites but without Reform every having to be challenged on exactly what they mean and how they are going to do that.

Churchill invoked tea and fags? Nice, makes perfect sense.
You do realise World War 2 finished almost 80 years ago, right? And you do know more than 3 million soldiers were from the Empire and Dominions, including countries colonised and starved by the English (see Churchill and the Bengal Famine)? Mmmm finest hour.

I know it's a private matter just thought I'd ask as you seemed so opinionated about how others might vote. Aren't you even voting @Goldenbear as you said DH's country, maybe a typo?

I love Nigel

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That is your view which of course you can have but I find pro Labour posters seem to want only people who vote the same way to post

Yeah I do right? Just the PP who mentioned Nazis brought up her WW2 GP to illustrate her point. Grew up with plenty who did live through it and like it or not, tea and fags had a great part to play.

This is a very foolish post on several levels.
Do you really think that, over the years/ decades that Hitler and the Nazi party were gradually gaining power in post WW1 Germany, that they had an 'evil' sticker on them so that normal folk knew to avoid them? Of course not, they promised change, better times and Nationalism in a country which was struggling from great economic hardship. Does this sound at all familiar? I'm not suggesting that Farage intends to murder millions of Jews but there are certainly some parallels in terms of the messaging and politics.

I think you are referring to the way in which people supported each other at the time with the 'tea and fags' comment. This has nothing to do with how the Nazi party came to power.

I’ve never been called a bot and I’m not sure if I’m offended or impressed with myself 😂
Everyone is different, everyone has wants and needs that are not the same as others.
I like debate, I don’t like people trying to suppress other people’s opinions and branding others racist/bigoted etc.
If someone is genuinely being racist then it’s absolutely not ok and should be dealt with because it is an actual crime.
Branding all Reform voters as racist is really not okay. In my own opinion, it takes away the seriousness of what racism actually is.

It may well be tedious but we are at a really perilous stage of history. We are on the cusp of a third world war. Who we chose to be at the helm now matters more than it ever has in my life time.

Russia are putting divisive comments all over social media. link above. They are trying to destabilise us by creating unrest and division.

We can’t just trust what we see on SM. We can’t rely on one left or right leaning news source. We have to look into things in more depth than we might ordinarily if we want someone sensible at the helm in such volatile and risky times.

It’s important that we question things that seem to be trying to create reactions or seem too good to be true.

Every aspect of our lives and our future security are impacted by politics. We all have a duty to do due diligence and think really carefully when we put the X in that box. After serious consideration and checking it all out in depth that X may go on Reform for some, but that shouldn’t be based on crap information and just listening to Farage’s hyperbole. Same with them all.

FACT CHECK FACT CHECK FACT CHECK.

This is not a game.

1. He wasn’t a candidate. He was a campaigner.
2. Just because he works as an actor part time does not mean he was paid to pretend to be racist. There is no evidence he was paid to pretend to be racist, and all evidence points to him being racist. (Or is it alleged that he is a racist actor and the acting part was pretending to campaign for Reform?)
3. If it is illegal and there is evidence of it occurring, then no doubt Reform UK will take legal action rather than Farage just throwing out comments about it being a “put up job” with no evidence.

I would very much have an issue with Channel 4 paying anyone to pretend to be a campaigner for any party, but there is no evidence that has happened. What does seem to be happening is that, in a Trump like manner, Farage is making baseless allegations to try and get away from the evidence that his party attracts racists, and his supporters are lapping it up and repeating his baseless claims as some kind of “gotcha”.

@rainingsnoring - you might call my post foolish and indeed I am as well-versed as you in how the Nazi Party crept to power but don't assume I'm unable to sniff out a Nazi, Fascist and help keep them supressed because I most certainly am.

I'd even aver I could be better set than you to deal with it - I'm old enough to have marched on the Anti Nazi League marches when the BNP and SPG were at their height.

Yes, this 100 times over!

Tea and fags, very British. 80 years on and we still put the kettle on in times of trouble. I wish we could all go put the kettle on and support one another.