AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

Well done to him.

Reform's platform isn't inherently racist but it seems that a high proportion of it's candidates and staffers are.

Either they're content to be a racist party or they have been staggeringly incompetent in vetting candidates.

No. Not a bloody chance. I don't know anyone who has any time for them and if I did they would be dead to me.

Oh my giddy aunt, you’re having a laugh, right?
I will NEVER vote for loony extremism. The people in the U.K. only have one day of power every few years.
Please Please Please use your vote wisely. Even Labour would be better than the shit show we’ve had in power over the past 14 years.
Enough is enough.

its not Andrew we are discussing but Farage’s endorsement.

Farage as it’s leader is racist;

However, there is an enormous gulf between his self-presentation and reality. Farage has used racism, xenophobia, sexism and Islamophobia to stir up division, has toxic connections to extreme and far-right figures across the world, and Thatcherite beliefs that he has tried to hide from communities in former industrial towns.
Below we round up Farage’s attempts to exploit prejudice, his divisive and dishonest statements, his elite background and his toxic overseas associates.
RACIST & XENOPHOBIC REMARKS

1. Farage said on LBC Radio in 2014: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be”. Upon being asked whether he would object to living next door to German children, he replied “You know what the difference is”.
3. He claimed in 2014 that parts of Britain were “unrecognisable” and “like a foreign land”. He had also claimed he felt “awkward” when he heard people speaking other languages on the train.
5. When asked in a 2014 interview with Newsweek Europe who he thought should be allowed to come to the UK, he said: “People who do not have HIV, to be frank. That’s a good start. And people with a skill.” During the 2015 campaign, he deployed misleading statistics about foreigners with HIV in a TV debate.
7. Farage unveiled his infamous Breaking Point poster in the lead up to the EU referendum, which was compared to Nazi propaganda. Farage to apologise for it.
9. During the Referendum Farage collaborated with Leave.EU, the unofficial Brexit campaign run by Farage’s longtime ally Arron Banks and co-founded by Brexit Party chairman Richard Tice, which relentlessly sought to link immigrants and Muslims to violence and societal decline. Both Farage and Tice have distanced themselves from Leave.EU since the Referendum, as multiple scandals have struck the outfit.
11. Farage is a well-known admirer of Enoch Powell, who is infamous for the “Rivers of Blood” speech. Farage asked Powell for his support in a by-election in 1994, and drove Powell to a UKIP rally in 1993, writing “That meeting, with a man who had achieved so much and sacrificed so much for his principles, awoke all sorts of aspirations in me which I had not even acknowledged before. It inspired me.” Farage also claimed in 2008 that “While his language may seem out of date now, his principles remain good and true”, and that “I would never say that Powell was racist in any way at all. Had we listened to him, we would have much better race relations now than we have got”. He has elsewhere with a section of the Rivers of Blood speech, claiming that the “basic principle” was correct, spoke glowingly of Powell, and has even recited sections of the speech .
13. Farage formerly had a column at Breitbart, the far-right, anti-immigrant “news” outlet, formerly owned by his longtime ally Steve Bannon and formerly headed in the UK by his ex-aide Raheem Kassam.
15. Farage blamed immigration for making him late to one of his own speaking events, stating “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”
17. Farage defended a UKIP candidate’s use of the slur “ch*nky”, stating “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?”
19. Following the Westminster attack, Farage spoke of a “fifth column living inside these European countries” on Fox News. “If you open your door to uncontrolled immigration from Middle Eastern countries, you are inviting in terrorism”, said Farage. He has elsewhere made “fifth column” comments in the wake of the 2015 Paris attack, and .

DANGEROUS AND DIVISIVE

1. Just after the Referendum result was announced, Farage stated that Brexit had been won “without a single bullet being fired”, just over a week after Jo Cox MP was assassinated.
3. In 2017, Farage claimed he would “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if May failed to deliver Brexit “properly”, claiming “there will be widespread public anger in this country on a scale and in a way we have never seen before”.
5. In September of this year Farage told a rallyof supporters in Newport, South Wales that “once Brexit is done, we will take the knife” to “overpaid pen-pushers in Whitehall”. Farage later claimed that he “should have said ‘take the axe’, which is a more traditional term for cuts”.

SEXISM

1. Farage defended Trump’s “grab them by the pussy” remarks as “locker room banter” and “alpha-male boasting”.
3. Farage told women to “sit in the corner” if they wanted to breastfeed their children, in order not to be “openly ostentatious”.
5. He claimed that, in banking, women were “worth far less” than men if they chose to have a family: “If a woman with a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to her employer when she comes back than when she went away because that client base won’t be stuck as rigidly to her”. Upon being asked if this was fair, he replied: “I can’t change biology”.
7. Under his leadership, UKIP’s 2010 manifestohad a policy to abolish statutory maternity pay (SMP). “Rather than playing the ‘money-go-round’ with the attendant administrative burden, Ukip would abolish SMP entirely and simply allow parents who stay at home with their children to claim a weekly parental allowance set at the same level as the basic cash benefit proposed in our welfare policy (in other words, around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above) regardless of how long they are off work and regardless of the other spouse’s income”.
9. In 2010, when asked about women’s football, Farage gave the following answer: “Here’s the bigger question. Do we think, chaps, when we’re there in the front line, when the balloon goes up, with fixed bayonets, when the whistle’s about to blow to go over the top, do we actually want to be there with women beside us? Do we? What an extraordinarily bizarre idea! I certainly don’t think so. But maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view. I find it very difficult to think that we could stand up and run over the top together, into the machine guns or whatever. Men and women are different – thank God!”

DISHONESTY

1. In 2013 Farage claimed “I have never ever said ‘Britain is full’, I’ve never ever used that term” after calling for the government to offer refuge to Syrian Christians caught in the war. “That is not inconsistent with my position that says it is total madness, in two days time, to open up our borders to hundreds of thousands of people from Romania and Bulgaria”, said Farage. However, a video soon surfaced of him using the phrase “Britain is full” just months earlier.
3. In May 2016, Farage said he would back a second referendum if the margin of victory for the winning side was small. Farage told the Mirror “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it”.
5. In May 2019 The Metro reported that Farage had been labelled a “terrible, terrible human being” by a pub landlord, who alleged that Farage had fled the scene of a head-on car crash. “He didn’t even bother to see if me and my little boy were OK. He just upped and left”, he said, and went on to ban Farage from his Kent pub.

Interesting as I thought one of the largest votes for Brexit in Wales was from a place that had one of the largest subsidies from the EU! This place has seriously seen a decline in living standards since Brexit says it all really - a fucking joke!

Tactically if you're in one of the few wards that votes labour, libdem, green and indy in a constuency that has returned a tory MP for years who cares little for the populous wards and needs to go, then a vote for reform ltd might get the bugger out. Probably shoe-horning in the libdem.

In a context of a leave area - for reasons similar to red wall voters, and paired with the disenfranchised long-term tory voters enough votes should be pared away from Mr Rich Bugger MP so he can spend his time earning a mint that isn't on my dime.

Yup.

The sheer amount of people on here without critical thinking skills absolutely chills me to the bone.

Interestingly @Flairswoo's first ever post appeared only a few minutes after all of Cooters posts were removed.

Make of that what you will.

Me too. But - it might be Russian bots storing division. In a way I hope it is and there aren’t really genuine people on a mums forum with some of the views shared on here.

I missed that. Well
spotted!

Critical Thinking Skills? Just a bunch of academic tosh by some stupid name that makes people feel important. It just means an ability to think and weigh things up in your mind - hardly rocket science - people do it every day.

Cooter didn’t have any argument at all they just deflected. Who can vote for a party that has no substance- they aren’t going to help you, Farage worked in the City, he has no idea whatsoever of your life stop falling for it!

Sadly, many people don’t!

Ah. Makes sense. Poor MNHQ must be fed up of all the dodgy posters.

Now MN is being flodded by Russian bots to add to the ridiculousness. Klaxon - Mnetters aren't really as important as they think they are - like Vlad gives a shit.

Pathetic to call everyone who has got a different opinion to yours a Russian bot. We are genuine people whether you want it or not.

Yeah right

Of course. I do know that tbh. I was just responding in kind to the poster who said, "half the country wouldn't be voting Labour".

Well two posters in this thread have had most of their posts deleted and are probably now banned. That says something.

Russian bots? Are you being serious or sarcastic?

I’m not sure what your back ground or interests are…but if I assume you are either working or middle class then

YABVU to vote Reform as Nige as about as elite as they come and he doesn’t support our interests. And short of lining his pockets he doesn’t care for the working people because he isn’t one. I personally think that corporations bleeding us dry are more damaging to this country currently than people on boats. Look at the water companies- taking all profits, not building any reservoirs or fixing leaks to make sure we have enough water, nicking water from rivers when short and pumping poo in to the waterways. Greed pure and simple. And no one is stopping them. What a joke.

YANBU to be disenfranchised with the big 2. There are loads of problems and those parties aren’t doing enough to fix it.

YABU to spout conspiracy theories about Corbyn. There’s no way he could suddenly run the Labour Party. If you googled how the mp decisions are made/process of election for labour then you would know what you’ve said is alarmist nonsense.

YANBU to vote for any party you agree with, that's what democracy is for.

Personally I am spoiling this year.

Reform voters accused of lacking critical thinking by someone who thinks there are Russian bots on here.