To wonder when the excess of dogs will die down

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There's so much shit everywhere

There are so many feral horrible dogs pissing on front doors or prams or shop displays and barking terrifyingly at kids

I am sick of them!!!!! Is this it or will people learn their post COVID lesson and only get pets they can actually handle in the future?

At least my local hostelry has two separate areas: the dining room and the "dog friendly area".

When the lockdown dogs start dying off and the many people who should never have got a dog decide not to get another.

Please do! I'd be a regular customer.

Yes I said it was different

cat owners letting their cats outside, know there’s a likelihood their cats are pissing and shitting in neighbours gardens. The human is being horrible. On purpose.

A dog owner, letting their dog piss on someone’s wall is also purposely being awful.

It would still be worse if a human pissed on your wall. Which was my point.

I don’t like cats shitting in my garden and it’s ultimately the owner’s responsibility.m and choice. still can’t be compared to a human doing it. Which is the point I was answering.

I didn’t say it was the same. I was arguing that it wasn’t. And that comparing humans and pets, seems to be ok when people who don’t like pets do it. But not when pet owners do it.

YANBU OP

So sick of bloody dogs everywhere. I live in a city and there are far too many of them. Went to the USA recently and it took me 24 hours to realise how great it was that there were hardly any dogs in manhattan, and everywhere else we went too.

^ Well said.

It’s actually shit humans. The planet would be better off without us.

MediumSizedDogAtDeath would be a fab username

Without us there would be no dogs. They are fake.

The Venn diagram of 'people who are soppy about dogs' and 'people who hate other people' isn't a perfect circle, but it's pretty tight.

I don't hate dogs but I do hate this saying. 'The planet would be better off without humans!' 🙄 Not ALL humans are bad people, many humans are kind and good. And you can bet if all the Governments in the world asked for 75% of the citizens of each country in the world to sacrifice themselves/be euthanized; the 'humans are scum the planet would better off without them' brigade, would be at the back of the queue, and run for the hills when they thought no-one was looking.

Why is it that every time someone tries to have a conversation about shit dog owners, a bunch of them always pile in frothing with abuse and deflection?
You can tell the good owners from the shit ones. The good owners join a thread like this and say something like "I'm a dog owner but I trained my dog well, always pick up after it and I'm sick of these fuckers too" they will join in with the conversation because it bothers them too. Whereas it's clear to see the type of owners who we're all discussing (even if they say they pick up their dogs shit) because they just jump straight in frothing and derailing the conversation and they always compare it to "feral" "disgusting" "annoying" children. It's pure deflection and you can tell we've hit a nerve by how nasty they are about children (on a fucking parenting website too 😆)

Here's the thing: if you actually had an issue with kids then you'd start your own thread dedicated to it. It's clearly just some sort of "gotcha" designed to steer the conversation away from dogs.
It's also a ridiculous comparison. Maybe when you're having to dodge toddler piss and shit on the street every day, afraid to walk on any grassy areas incase some parent has emptied a nappy out. Maybe when kids are regularly jumping all over complete strangers with dirty shit or mud covered hands and sharp nails. Maybe when children start licking random strangers after licking their own arse or eating shit. Maybe when the presence of children cause people to have serious allergic reactions or when children start mauling and injuring people passing by or barking threateningly at them whilst fighting to lurch towards them. Maybe when we start needing to leash or muzzle children. Maybe then you might have a point.

Reading through the thread, there are a lot of dog people gloating over the fact that so many cafes and restaurants allow dogs inside and are apparently overrun with business. Gleeful that it excludes people who don't want to be around animals where they eat, saying "it's up to the business owners". It shouldn't be up to the business owners, it needs to be taken out of their hands. They should be forced to uphold certain hygiene standards if they want to sell food to the public. What tf happened to health inspections. It's unhygienic and disgusting and dogs should be banned where food is being served/consumed.

The one time I walked into a dog friendly cafe it absolutely stank of dog and there weren't even any dogs in there at the time. I walked straight back out, I couldn't have eaten there if I tried 🤢

@HerbertHoover

”Why is it that every time someone tries to have a conversation about shit dog owners, a bunch of them always pile in frothing with abuse and deflection?”

Thats because instead of having a sensible debate, you get posters starting to comment and tar all dog owners with the same brush - making derogatory comments about our personalities and talking about baby fetishes!

I don’t care if people don’t like my dog. He’s an animal, he’s not offended but if you start making sweeping spiteful comments about humans, you won’t get a useful debate because people do get offended. My dog is a dog. He goes to the park, fields, dog training classes and occasionally the pet shop to get weighed. I can also predict when my dog is going to wee and he doesn’t pee against anyone’s front door- he’ll bloody be far away. I walk him to parks which might pass a house but I am not going to apologise fo that. I hate bad dog owner, they give us a bad name but I also hate people who delight in making horrible comments about humans who happen to own dogs.

How a business operates shouldn’t be in the business owners hands? Is that just when it comes to decisions about dogs or all decisions that shouldn’t be up to the business owner?

Of course health inspections still happens. Allowing dogs doesn’t automatically mean unhygienic. And banning Dogs doesn’t mean it’s hygienic.

Personally, I don’t take my dogs to restaurants. Theres one cafe that I take them to that’s specifically for dog owners and walkers. And even then I usually go early when it’s not busy.bland sit outside. I have no issue with shops, cafes, restaurants banning dogs.

If somewhere allows animals and you choose not to go that’s a choice. Your aren’t excluded. You are choosing not go. I get why you are choosing it, but it’s still a choice.

Suggesting business owners shouldn’t be allowed to make that choice for themselves, to accommodate your preference is bizarre.

If somewhere allows animals and you choose not to go that’s a choice. Your aren’t excluded. You are choosing not go. I get why you are choosing it, but it’s still a choice.

But if someone is severely allergic, it isn’t really a choice not to go where dogs are allowed.

In an ideal world there would be a mixture of dogs allowed and dogs not allowed. But in many areas this is no longer the case - dogs are literally everywhere.

feral dogs? where do you live? there are no feral dogs in the UK

I love dogs but unfortunately it’s shitty dog owners who are the problem.
Dogs themselves are just the innocent victims of folk who shouldn’t have dogs in the first place.
Too many people during the pandemic bought dogs as entertainment because they felt entitled to it.

Why get a dog and leave it at home 12 hrs while you go off to work ??
The dog is unhappy and barks, becomes frustrated and has behavioural issues. The dog is blamed instead of its thick, unthinking owner who’s also too lazy to pick up the dog shit.

People are the real problem,OP. They’re the cause of so much rubbish everywhere too, let alone the dog shit.

However, I don’t know what sort of area you live in because I’ve not come across any “ feral” dogs

I live in a scenic location, yet we have far too many badly behaved dogs.

We did have a pack of feral dogs running around in my hometown (Fife) in the '70s, but they were eventually caught and (I presume) euthanised. They were an absolute menace. I was a teenager at the time and had to rescue a couple of young children from their attentions.

I've not been aware of dogs packing up in a similar manner since, though there are some owners who allow their dogs to run around without them.

But we weren’t talking about allergies.

and I said I was more than happy for dogs to not be allowed places. It’s weird to think it shouldn’t be the businesses owners decision though

Not sure where you got that I think places should always welcome dogs from.

I was just pointing out it’s not always a choice not to go to places.

I didn’t say that you thought dogs should be welcomed everywhere. I was saying that dogs seem to be welcomed everywhere around here.

But the person I was replying did try to go in a dog friendly cafe but didn’t like. So it’s unlikely they have a severe allergy to dogs.

Yeah I live in a very ‘hip’ inner city borough and it’s absolutely overrun with dogs, I wish I was exaggerating…. excuse the generalisation of working class (I am myself) but if it’s not people on council estates with XL bullys, it’s up their arse hipsters with their anxious hounds or yappy little poodle crosses

The hipsters are actually worse with their pets given their entitlement and belief that their dogs should be able to go everywhere they do, allowing them to sit on seats on public transport 🤢 and never picking up their shite. All coffee shops, pubs and cafes heaving with them. It’s literally dog town and I hate it. I don’t even have a particular dislike for dogs but I don’t enjoy the dog culture here.

Me too! Overrun with them and they are allowed everywhere.