Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

[MaryMaryVeryContrary]

I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

yes because they voted Corbyn in..and loads of lefty fuck wits still there who can bin starmer and vote for so other lefty twat

I’m in a safe Labour seat but would never vote for them after what their rule in Wales has done to Wales for the last 25 years.

We are currently on a tour via renting Air B&Bs this week as we have a week off. I suggested going to West Wales but my partner refused the thought cos of the ridiculous way the 20 mph scheme has been implemented. In some areas you can go from National Speed limit, to 40 mph, to 30 mph to 20 mph in the space of 2 miles!

So even Welsh people don’t want to holiday in Wales because of ridiculous Labour policies so take note. Also, see state of the Welsh NHS.

I usually vote Lib Dem but Rishi was on fire last night and made Starmer look like the buffoon he is so I will probably vote conservative even though it won’t make a difference where I live.

Do you have amnesia? Have you missed the last 14 years of Tory government and what it's done to British women?🤯

stand up for women's rights my arse.🙄

I don’t think he’s put it across anywhere though - TV, radio, newspaper interviews, any part of his camp at. I’ve no doubt he must be better at it than he seems but he is so poorly prepared for the most basic, predictable questions. So it’s either incompetence or laziness

…and who from “the hard left” is up for Election this year ? Who do you imagine is in this rebellion ?

@ChurchCats total scaremongering. Starmer is a centrist. I am a centrist. I hated Corbyn. The left wing hate Starmer and many extreme left wing members have been expelled from the ;Labour party. If the Labour party are elected, we will get a centrist government. Far more like John Majors government. What used to be called caring Conservatives. That is why Starmer is. Cares about vulnerable people, but also cares about the economy and knows it needs to work better than it has in the last 10 years.

👏👏

I’m not sure about the no doubt part but agree

@runningonberocca if you want to vote for our Prime Minister based on how they come across on TV go ahead. I think Farage comes across best, he is great at TV interviews. He would also be an incompetent nightmare of a Prime Minister.

This, but I get the quandary.

I’m not passionately in the GTTO camp, but think we probably do need a change of government. But I’ve voted conservative anyway as my local MP is a great local presence. I do feel a bit like I’ve chickened out though and like I’m relying on everyone else to do their bit to vote differently to me which doesn’t feel good.

But I’m not a Labour supporter and never have been. They almost had my vote this time but they just haven’t said enough more than ‘we’ll be better then the tories’. So I’ve stuck with voting for a name I’m happy with even though they stand with a party that I don’t really support.

What hard left?

You think John McDonall is going to seize the party??! Hahaha

Honestly this is pure fantasy.

I am sorry you feel that way. British women will be severely diminished under any party that is not conservative, if you check the manifestos all seem to be prioritising the trans movement over women.

Are you aware of that?

Yes after watching last nights
Debate between sunak and starmer. He didn't fill me with confidence, I think keir didn't come over that well

😂

No. I am steadfast in my determination not to vote for Labour!

And Rishi Sunak just comes across as a weak man on TV.

But what I care about is what they do. I do not want any more of a Conservative government who lie and cheat and treat us all like mugs. If you want to continue to be scammed by a bunch of people who are openly corrupt. go ahead.

I hate the Tory party but I can’t vote labour. Starmer is awful.

I am not trying to be amusing. This is a serious issue for many millions of women.

I’m tactically voting Lib Dem, they nearly beat Tories last time in our constituency and the local candidate seems good. Pointless voting labour where I live

Lib Dem or Labour are the only real choice depending on your local candidate.

I would vote SDP but they have no chance of getting in. I just wish there was another centre left party that wasn't Labour and had a chance of being elected or at least forming a coalition. LibDem always used to be my protest vote but I can't vote for them either.

Going by all the other political threads I have seen you on @MaryMaryVeryContrary I find it hard to believe you ever intended to vote Labour.

My two main reasons for not voting labour are other labour voters who are vile on forums, and the party's views on self ID.

If we had a Party for Women candidate I would have voted for her. But we don't, so I voted for the independent guy who actually lives in the constituency and has some good ideas locally in his pamphlet.

SDP has some very dodgy Reform-esque policies.

There you go!
Get used to it...
.any time you object to a rapist being called 'she' (even the Daily Mail calls the SHE for the love of God)
any time you worry that a female with a penis is in a Refuge or a women's prison
any time you object to a bloke with bollocks being in your changing room or daughter's loo at school
any time you wonder why women with penises are beating ever competitor in women's sport
every time you see a woman with a penis winning a woman's prize
every time you object to being given a intimate search by a woman with a penis police officer
every time you can't ask for a chaperone because you don't want an intimate examination by a woman with a penis GP

Every single time, you will be called a Transphobe and worse-maybe jailed for your hate speech. maybe fired from your job, maybe vilified until you are wheeled out to apologise.

It's not good now and it will be 1000 times worse under labour, as most of the Front Bench believe a woman can have a penis.

After all, here they come-the allies of men- shouting Transphobe even on this thread.