Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

I will vote labour or green.
Labour will get in anyway round my way.
I would never ever vote tory. They are mostly out for themselves and their mates.
The antics of the last 14 years of tory government have shocked me to the core and I will not forget the attempt to prorogue parliament, the partying and appalling decision making during COVID. The giving PPE contracts to mates. Etc. And that's not including austerity (for some, not them) food bank necessity and public service cuts. They are Midas in reverse, everything they touch has turned to shit but somehow they are doing rather well, thanks.
A good constituency MP is, well, good but if they can tolerate an appalling party ie the tories, their judgement is shit. Imo.

I have always voted Tory but I won’t this time. I could never bring myself to vote labour so I haven’t made up my mind what to do. Yes, it’s bad now and the country is in a shambles but I have a nasty feeling it could get worse quite quickly.

I would never ever vote Tory. They are mostly out for themselves and their mates. I'm inclined to agree.

I'm voting Labour. I usually do.

I feel exactly the same.

I’ve never had any loyalty to any specific party. I’ll always vote for the one who has the policies I most agree with or which local candidate has given my area the best support.

I haven’t decided who I’ll vote for at the moment. But it won’t be Labour.

For the reasons stated by OP. But also mainly because we’ve had a Labour run council in Birmingham for over 10 years now and it’s been an absolute shitshow. So I want them out.

There's no monopoly on morality but there is:
State of the NHS
State of social care
COVID parties and death toll
Sleaze
Cutting benefits
Halving of local authority budgets and dog whistling racism by talking about immigration as the problem when migrants are a net tax benefit to the UK and prop up the NHS and social care
I'm no fan of labour in particular but I would say the conservatives have spectacularly shown a lack of morality. It's not black and white - Boris' climate policy (now undone by Rishi) and Cameron's gay marriage a few rays of sunshine but that is literally it.
We need the UK to get better and should vote for whoever is needed to end this government.

Me too, unpopular choice, but I actually like Rishi Sunak, he might be a bit socially awkward, but he does detail, and I like that in a PM/Chancellor. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I trust the Conservatives. As for labour, Keir Starman (to quote the words of Boy George) is 'a man without conviction' his opinions flip to whatever suits the situation, and not flipping he is very non-specific.

Hey at least we don't have a Biden vs Trump (Alzheimer's shouldn't be a barrier to a carer in politics) vs Trump (criminality/narcissism/flatulence/total disregard of the truth no barrier to carreering in politics) choice.

I do think labour will win, but there will be no landslide, remember the loud left convinced TV, Polls and gullible social media of a Corbyn landslide? Well, that didn't happen. And while Starma says the Tories wrecked the economy (it was really Zil Trust and Crazy Counting who did that).
casting my mind back to 2010, so did Blair/Brown when David Byrne left the infamous note for his liberal successor 'sorry old chap, all the moneys gone' as a final 'f**k you and the horse voters you rode in on'.
I'm hoping for a hung parliament with liberals/greens holding acting as moral compass for Conservatives or Labour..

@browneyes77 you do realise the problem in Birmingham was caused by the Tories cutting funding for Birmingham council by 60%?

Birmingham is a Tory failure not a labour one!

I must have missed the media predictions of Corbyn landslide. In fact, when he ran it close in 2017, they outperformed all expectations.

Precisely.

I have recently started to appreciate that the Conservative decision makers seem to primarily come from very privileged, old school type families who have had upbringings that are so far removed from the ways most of the people in this country live that they cannot possibly put themselves in the shoes of the voters and make policy with real people in mind. I will probably vote labour...maybe lib dem..anyone that helps prevent a Conservative MP in my area, blue though it always has been...Let's move towards a government of MPs who truly represent this country and understand it's people's lives.

Yep - their attitude to the whole gender thing makes me sick, they will destroy women's rights. Smarmer is so slimy too, I do not trust a single word he says, he will say whatever he thinks will get him ahead, zero principles and zero scruples. Be careful what you wish for! (Clearly Tories are no better but I genuinely do not think anyone can be worse than Smarmy Starmer and his revolting anti-woman shadow cabinet)

🙄🙄 That old chestnut.

You do realise that there are other problems in Birmingham other than what funding the council have?

Also, they spunked money up the wall on a failed computer system and owed a shit ton on equal pay claims they failed to pay out on time. That wasn’t due to underfunding. That was due to complete incompetence and mismanagement.

Birmingham is absolutely a Labour failure. And has been for years.

We don't need politicians who have lived the same lives as us
I don't care that Sunak didn't have SkyTv, I don't care that Starmans dad was a tool maker. Repeated mentions of either is a desperate attempt to connect with voters not people.
What we need is clever, considerate, altruistic idealists with a social conscience, who will not benefit financially from office, but who also have a firm grip on reality and the ability to form long term plans for the hood of the nation - esentially everything that precludes someone seeking power.
Who comes closest to this?
Rich kid Sunak with his GP dad and Pharmacist mum, or career lawyer Prosecutor Starma with his tool maker dad and never mentioned mum?

Hmm, I just checked Wikipedia, and it seems Starma went to a Reigate Grammar School, then a voluntary aided selective grammar school that converted to an independent fee-paying school where his fees were paid fees by the private schools charity.

Well thanks for that Wikipedia, my voting decision has been made much easier.

His mum was a nurse. He does mention her.

Not a single one of your quotes was accurate. Tory Troll.

Is there some kind of central ministry for pumping out posts with the words 'be careful what you wish for' in?

We don't need politicians who have lived the same lives as us

That's an opinion. Not mine though. I think people who have lived a normal life make better politicians. And those who have worked outside of politics first. Not only in investment banking though!

@JustAnotherDadOf2
Here is Keir Starmer talking about his mum. He mentions her often.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-opens-up-about-death-of-his-mother-a4462601.html

If you are happy with the state the country is in, then carry on.

It's not accurate to say that Starmer never mentions his mum, who was apparently a major influence on his thinking. "I'll never use private health care, mum.Even though I sort of feel I should pay because I can afford to pay". I like

SKS, but this is a bit icky. If there's a health concern that you don't think life-threatening, but that you'd like advice for, then I think you should take private advice and pay for it, toute de suite.

This is such a great post & exactly how I feel!

People are pulling out their own teeth

People can't drink water out of their own taps because it's contaminated.

250 people per week may have died last year due to the waits in excess of 12 hours in A& E ,

Recent research shows that British children are becoming shorter than their European Counterparts due to malnutrition & poverty

I can't vote for another 5 years of this! What sort of Country will we be living in, never mind their desire to pull us out of the ECHR!
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Labour will be in power for at least 5 yrs and during that time, with their views on gender/sex, what damage will they do to the rights of women. I’m not keen on any of the alternatives but know many women who just can’t bring themselves to vote at all but then I think we should vote because of what the suffragettes and suffragists went through to get vote. Is there an independent candidate you could vote for?

his revolting anti-woman shadow cabinet

Half of whom are women.

Yep you're right, his mum was a nurse. Didn't know that, thanks for putting that right...

It will be the same bollocks it was under Blair. Socially liberal and fiscally right wing - just what the country needs. Slow hand clap!

Starmer is a member of the very select Trilateral Commission (and was invited to join whilst still serving under Corbyn’s shadow cabinet). He’s already lied to a lot of people to get where he is now. Do your research and vote accordingly.

I want to trust him. But I’m not sure I do.