Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

What Labour do not seem keen to tell us is that NOTHING will change, apart from an increase in illegal migrants.
Why?
Because we simply do not have the money. They are not being straight with the public. They can rinse the rich, but that won't amount to much, so how are they going to fund any of these mass improvements?? Short answer: They can't.

What Labour do not seem keen to tell us is that NOTHING will change, apart from an increase in illegal migrants. Why?

Because it’s not true. 🤷‍♀️

Tbf he is just as apt to do a sound bite without much clue on how

Hence ‘smash the gangs’

Bit like stop the boats. Three word slogans are the Tory stock in trade.

You do realise the vast majority of migration to the UK is legal and that more that 50% of illegal migration comes from people overstaying visas?

While eliminating trafficking gangs is a noble pursuit it won't do much to reduce migration figures even if they could get rid of them all.

Children are vulnerable. Children are among those trying to get to safety on 'small boats'. This is a fact, and yet you have absolutely no evidence that all 'migrants' as you call them are here to make a fast buck. It just suits your narrative to say it, to scare people, and to rouse hatred for other human beings.

Because everyone in a boat is a doctor, or so we are told !! 😂

It is very easy to apply through legal routes to work here indefinitely as a medic or a nurse. My friend has just done it, they have simplified the entire system, so it is certainly isn't a deterrent.

If we wanted to address the shortage of medics, then the first thing we could do is expand the places in universities to study medicine, and all of the students that have the ability would find it much easier to train as one idea.

Yes I agree better to be wooden but genuine than charismatic but a complete lying selfish tosser

I would support tightening up the entire system.

The scheme that can only take a few hundred migrants per year and includes a reciprocal right for people from Rwanda to come to the UK? The one that costs millions per migrant processed through it?

It's an insane plan. And it's smoke and mirrors. The small boats account for a vanishingly small proportion of overall migration into the UK. If the small boats could be stopped overnight it would be a trivial difference to overall migration numbers.

My sister's neighbour's brother's girlfriend is in Calais right now. Apparently there are hordes of young men sleeping on the streets, just waiting for July 5th when they will make their way to the UK.

🙄

I know the split between types of migration that still doesn’t mean US, EU, and Aus will not deal with trafficking

Aus already does but the others will start to implement more hardline measures

This will have an impact on the UK numbers

A vote for Labour is a vote to end women's sex based rights and the safety protections these provide. They'll make getting a GRC easier and we'll have every Tom Dick and Harry (mainly Dick) in our toilets, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, refuges etc. And if we complain, we'll be criminalised. Our kids will continue to be indoctrinated in schools and universities, and anything other than affirmation will be a criminal offence. The Party is infested by Gender zealots.

This. I will be voting Labour. The alternative to a Labour Government is 5 more years of public services collapsing in a country swimming in shit whilst shareholders party at our expense.

Given that more than 90% of GRC applications are approved currently, what makes you think that changing the 2 doctor requirement to a 1 doctor requirement would make any significant difference to the number of Certificates being issued?

We as a country can not cope with more conservative leadership. Whoever takes over has a mountain to claim but the conservative are not the ones to do it.

Ive never voted labour in the past. I’ve been a strong Lib Dem with a little local Green voter for over 20 years but I’ve had to tactical vote labour as I strongly feel our country can not manage under this party any longer.

I think it's very safe not to vote Labour, the Tories are toast whatever. It worries me handing such a huge majority to somebody so untrustworthy and who appears to have no moral compass, I think it would be good to get as many Lib Dem, Green and Independents in as possible to keep him in check.

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

We've used this tool to look at policies and locally who we can vote for…. Interesting if you’re on the fence.

Agree, Lady Mone proposed by Cameron sits in the House of Lords has stolen millions from the NHS and still no word of any retribution.
Saw a meme the other day with her on the phone to Rishi saying hello, this is Mone National service uniforms, can I help you?

Not voting labour. Which is a first for me. Also a first for me, I'm voting entirely with what's best for my family in mind and voting Lib Dem as they seem to be the only party who claim to give a real fuck about health and social care, something my oldest DS is going need his whole life and beyond ours.

Reform for me - need a good opposition

Voting LD. Luckily it’s apparently the best choice tactically in my area and, as it happens, it was the only manifesto I was actually impressed with. A practical list rather than being overcrowded with rhetoric and bluster.

That’s a good reason not to vote for them, they’re just disrupters.

No, not wobbling at all. We need to be rid of current shower who have been awful. Corruption & lies need to be rooted out.

Op, there is a clip circulating I can't link : a mumsnetter called Jane who pinned starmer down today on women rights on the radio . He was trying to trot out the, I've been a prosecutor and she said no.
We don't care about the past, what are you doing to protect women now.