Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

No. I’ve voted. Getting the Tories out one vote at a time.

Always vote left but can’t now due to the attack on woman's rights, Labours views on women, and the equity act. So will spoil my ballet with Respect my sex if you want my X

I'm voting reform. I like their policies and the fact that most of them seem to differ from the other main parties. Otherwise I would vote an independent
I don't see why you would possibly want to vote for a party, Labour or Conservative, who are so clearly anti-british, anti-woman, anti-human. I'd rather tear my vote up and eat it than vote for either of them.

Agree. The deposing Starmer thing is daft. He is about to win Labour a massive majority. How would he be ousted after that?

I was going to go Red as I'm so fed up with Blue but having finally done some research, I just don't think I can. It's all smoke and mirrors and I think they are riding on 'everyone hates the conservatives". So instead I'm going to vote for what I truly believe in (and effectively waste my vote). That way I can live with myself and the outcome. I'm going Green.

I hate general elections - I find the responsibility quite stressful!!

Do you like their support in Clacton? Those robust fellows with the simple dynamic solutions? We need a change, the two main parties have failed. You can’t even say what you really think any more

Which of their policies attract you? Moving to an insurance based healthcare system? Leaving the ECHR? Ending the UK's membership* of the WEF as promised by Farage?

*Ignoring the fact that the UK is not a member of the WEF.

I can not figure out if it is people supporting Conservatives throwing anything hoping it will stick, or if they really believe it? And the women's rights lot just make me eye roll. So you will vote Conservative, a party that has done nothing in 14 years to address your issues and has made life worse for women. A party that has practically decriminalised rape on its watch.

We are totally skint. Taxes have to rise. Labour keep saying ‘oh we won’t see the state of the national finances properly until after the election’, which is a sure fire set up for - at the first budget - to say ‘oh shit, we’re skint. Who knew? We’ll have to put up taxes to cope with this unforeseen circumstance’.

Who do you want to tax? Pensioners with occupational pensions? Retired civil servants and military personnel who earned less than their worth in the private sector but who have index-linked pensions? Doctors? GPs and consultants? Just the "rich"? They can leave the country, as I could, and DH and I have never earned above the moderately prosperous level. We will leave behind the people who are non-contributors, who don't even begin to cover the costs of the public services they consume and expect and demand.

Women’s rights, not trans rights

This.

And considering this directly affects approximately 50% of people in the UK I'd hardly call it a marginal issue.

I just cannot see why Labour don’t see this as important. They clearly either have not been listening, OR have not understood OR have listened and understood and don’t give monkeys.

I don’t know which scenario is more concerning.

100% agree with this. We should vote based on values of a party, this is not an election for a PM. I think Keir Starmer is an intelligent man, who will do well once he’s PM and free from the pressure of the election.
But also, I wouldn’t vote Tory if you dragged me over hot coals and then set me on fire.

But considering it is expected for Labour to have a big majority, I think it would be sensible for those with good Tory MPs to vote for them.

I think a huge Labour majority would be very dangerous, particularly in the case of women's rights, so the more good Opposition MPs we have, the better.

There is ANOTHER Drs strike RIGHT NOW. They’re debating fucking future hypotheticals without fixing the massive fucking problem that’s happening RIGHT NOW. I’m shocked that they expect people to vote for them and double shocked that people ARE going to vote for them.

Yeah vote Reform and vote for paying a large insurance premium for healthcare. Farage is talking about a US system to be clear where you pay a lot for an insurance policy, and an excess every time you visit the GP or hospital. Where if you take your child to hospital they ask for your credit card to cover the excess before doing anything else.

I don’t vote for Labour, I vote for my MP, she is fantastic. I admit I did not wanted Corbin in power, much less so Boris Johnson but continued voting for my MP.

Having said that, I much prefer the Tories as an opposition than Farage, if Reform ends in second place, there will be a massive bunfight with no purpose or direction every week at PL questions.

If you rely on the NHS your life might well depend on it.

Tell the Greeks that!

Everyone. Basic rate of income tax to be put up by 1% a year until things start getting better. Basic rate tax is on average 10% higher in the EU so we’ve got 10 years of increases before we hit average.

We also need to look at sole traders. 3/4ths of the UKs tax evasion last year was down to sole traders under declaring income. £26bn. When Labour are estimating VAT on private schools to raise £1.6bn this shows how bad things have got in this area.

It is a really tricky one.

I would probably say I am centre-right and have mostly previously voted Tory.

However, I am as disillusioned as most of the country is with the current situation. To be fair, I think world events have been particularly challenging, and would have been for any party, but the blatant lies, incompetency and corruption have been inexcusable.

I don't know how much things will improve under Labour and I am worried about a huge Labour majority, so in my view, as many sensible Opposition MPs there are, the better.

I dislike Starmer immensely - he comes across as a flaky, arrogant, misogynist.

And I disagree that his stance on gender and women's rights is a single issue - surely his inability to clearly understand and apply critical thinking to the issue (or his deliberate obscuring of it) is reflective of his overall ability, integrity and intelligence?

I am in Rosie Duffield's constituency, but actually still unsure who to vote for. She will likely win and obviously I do want her in Government... and I know the individual votes don't count, but it feels like voting for Labour is giving KS my support.

I won't vote Tory as the candidate is very inexperienced and actually TWAW.

I may still vote for Rosie or I am considering the Social Democratic candidate, though they don't seem particularly engaged and I don't agree with their whole manifesto.

I think there are good candidates in all (or most!) parties across the board and think it's a shame that the current system doesn't allow for more cross-Party working. It's a shame we can't pick n mix 😅

But in what ways are the current government helping women?

@dorisbonson Since of course 'evil' is an outmoded term based as it is upon irrational and irrelevant notions of gods and devils, let's say psychopathic, meaning an inhuman lack of empathy for others, instead. So youd starter for 10 ...
Making nurses pay for their degree while they work their a**es off
Being responsible for a decline in life expectancy in the UK it's now less than in 2010
Starving children being fed by their teachers (or kind footballers)
Teaching assistants snd nurses going to food banks to survive
Billions given to their friends to create unusable PPE instead of using experienced British firms.
Making British children amongst the shortest in Europe now due to poor diet and poverty
Lack of supervision of privatised companies leading to sewage in our water, fatal outbreaks of E Coli...
Forcing care homes to take Covid ridden patients and causing one of the highest death dates in Europe
Decimating NHS dentistry so that tooth extractions is most common reason for children to be admitted to hospital
Setting up Freeports where there are no protections for workers and the goal is rampant profiteering....

Unfortunately on the gender issue he has messed up on a huge scale ..

Reform canvassers were caught on film saying people should be used as target practice.
That's anti-human.

Nigel Farage said he knows about women because he's got so many of them pregnant. He also said maternity pay wasn't necessary. He thinks Andrew Tate is a good role model for young men.
That's anti-women.

Farage's pro Putin stance has been used as a boast on Russian media.
That's anti-British.

@Papyrophile do you understand what happened in Greece? Greece was failing to collect tax with an incredibly high amount of the population paying tax not owed. That along with high unemployment meant they could not balance their budget. They asked for an international bailout, which was only granted on the basis of an austerity budget so they could balance the books. It is totally irrelevant to the UK under any government.