Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

Making British children amongst the shortest in Europe now due to poor diet and poverty.
This is a shocking indictment of the current government. I know on MN every second person is on a massive wage. But most people are poorer than they were before the conservatives came to power.

I plan to vote Labour as Cons have wrecked this country and preserve only the interests of the extremely wealthy, millionaires and billionaires. I think Starmer’s policies may not be economically progressive enough for me but Labour will get my vote as I want the Tories out.

On Trans rights the relevant policy says
“Labour’s plans will protect single-sex spaces, treat everybody with respect and dignity, maintain the existing two-year timeframe for gender recognition, and ensure that robust provisions are in place to protect legitimate applications.”
And that's what we say on the doorstep while campaigning. Labour feminists will not let this go.

There's a huge number of girls wanting to be boys atm. You don't hear much about that.

Works well I am at the moment. I can see a doctor on the same day, often within 30 minutes, I pay the excess it's worth it.

In Latvia where an ex was from the doctor would contact you if you hadn't been to see them for a while and that was based on paying a relatively small fee for each appointment.

NHS is shit. My ex had almost 10 appointments with the GP to try and solve an issue over 3-4 years. One private appointment and private prescription and it was solved.

UK as a % of GDP spends more per person on the NHS than most European countries and has worse health outcomes. Money is pissed away though bad management.

I possibly didn't follow Greek politics as attentively as I should, but it's fairly clear to anyone able to read that their tax collecting duties were negligent, and that their pension rules were impossible to finance.

I can’t vote labour for many reasons. But Starmer has been so appalling during these debates. We need a strong PM as the world seems to be edging up the brink. Not some idiot who can’t even define a woman for fear of upsetting someone.

I'm debating between a local independent snd conservatives. Until Starmer can stand there and define a woman I will never vote Labour.

I didn't say all other European countries.

But apart from that that, you are comparing apples with kumquats,

The UK was the 6th richest economy in the world in 2010. Where was Greece in the rankings?

I'm away from home next week and for the first time ever, I cannot be arsed organising either a postal or proxy vote. Because of boundary changes I have no idea who's likely to win in my constituency. Whoever gets in, there's no money - fewer and fewer people are being expected to financially support more and more other people and everyone's standard of living is going to plummet. Nobody can reform the NHS to make it work properly for everyone (or rather they're too scared to), nobody can stop illegal immigration and they're lying when they say they can.

I find it all quite depressing really.

I want to vote for @RosesAndHellebores new party. As it is I think I am going to vote conservative so that there will be an opposition and for women’s rights. Labour and conservative don’t seem that far apart on economics. I do quite like some of the Lib Dem policies but they are too TWAW in the end. I wanted to see which of our local candidates was best but none of them are very visible/replying to messages. So I am voting for my local conservative MP as a way of distantly supporting Kemi Badanoch for leader of the opposition. (I know it doesn’t work like that)

@Dorisbonson that is not true.

1. "Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade

In 2010, Greece was a member of the 27 strong EU, that had feather-bedded its non tax-payers, in tourism and was turning a blind eye to blatant tax evasion.

As much as I am annoyed with Conservatives I think it is a disaster to let labour in. For my taxes, more pressure on schools, less pressure on protecting female spaces, they will probably give NHS pay demands & within 5 years will bankrupt us as a result.

the very fact they could win with less votes than the number of people who voted for Corbyn in 2019 is very concerning. (See article below)

if they win I’d say Starmer will be ousted very quickly and Rayner in place which to me is a back door listing of something none of us will benefit from (unless ofcourse we are on benefits for life!)

www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-labour-election-corbyn-vote-share-b2569246.html

@Dorisbonson or it might be true because our GDP is so low. Our economy has went down the hole in the last decade. But per head per person our health spending is much lower than other comparable countries. And added to that, the government have outsourced a lot of NHS to private firms who deliver little but get a lot of money.

I think Labour are just a bit bland at the moment

I'm surprised that more people have not considered the ousting of Starmer perhaps 6 months or so after the election, Angela Rayner, and the more left leaning will make a move I think and as for the Unions, they are going to be a nightmare, they don't back Starmer at all but like Rayner.

@Horsebox27 give me a reputable link for your theory? Or is this just the latest made up idea.
I could say Sunak has a summer job lined up (probably true), so if Conservatives get in, Sunak will quickly resign and then who knows who we will get. That has more validity than your theory.

UK as a % of GDP spends more per person on the NHS than most European countries

This is not true.

1. Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

1. If UK spending per person had matched the EU14 average, then the UK would have spent an average of £227bn a year on health between 2010 and 2019 – £40bn higher than actual average annual spending during this period (£187bn).

1. Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

1. Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period).

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade

The electorate isn't thick, Tories just think the electorate is thick. Their blatant, repeated lies show how much contempt they have for us.

Why was she deselected?

Ironically sunak doesn’t need to leave politics as he already has plenty of money! I’d rather he has the PM job and is honest about his intentions (& can’t be bought) than Angela Rayner be our PM in 12 months time. Let’s see

Sunak is a centrist who has expelled the extreme left wing from the Labour party and got rid of Momentum. The extreme left wing loathe him.
Starmer reminds me most of John Major. Intelligent centrist, hard working, competent, caring but not good on TV.

I see this theory bandied about by Tories all over the place. It is daft.

How do you think this will happen when Starmer is on course to deliver a massive majority and ensuring Labour MPs are secure in their seats for at least 5 years? How do you envisage a vote of no confidence working in that context?

Apart from anything else, I am not sure why we are are supposed to be scared of Rayner.

@Horsebox27 Rishi Sunak has presided over the biggest corruption ever in a government in office. Billions handed out to mates. Can't be bought! Don't make me laugh. He has the position purely to make money for him and his mates. Totally corrupt.

My voting strategy is as follows:
discount any candidate that doesn’t live in the constituency (cos why would they care about us)
look up the voting history of any who have been MP previously.
read manifestos

of the 3 candidates in my constituency who live in it - 2 have been MP before and 1 has a horrendous voting record. The third candidate is joke. So that leaves me with our current MP - he has voted as I would for issues and been very good for the constituency.

If Rishi Sunak is elected, he will soon resign and there will be another Prime Minister appointed. This government has had so many changes of Prime Minister it is shocking. Maybe we will get another Liz Truss who crashed the markets?