Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

I'm interested in your opinion and it could sway my vote. Please explain?

I can't vote labour or Tory. I don't understand why anyone who is female vote for labour. However I think we need a change from Tory... I just don't know who I vote for...it won't I know be Tory, reform or labour....

Yes, that just about sums it up - anxiety, impatience and grief. Those are exactly my emotions. If we have a new government a week tomorrow it will feel as if a boil’s been lanced. I don’t suppose I’ll ever experience the euphoria of 1997 again, I’ll have to settle for quiet relief this time.

I think people overlook that it isn’t really possible for an MP to remain a member of a political party without broadly towing the party line.

If Corbyn had been elected, I imagine people would have been grateful to have some more moderate voices (like Starmer’s) in the cabinet, rather than all of them resigning (or attacking the party’s platform such that the whip is withdrawn) and having a cabinet comprised solely of Corbynites.

I was thinking of Labour but I think they’re going to get a massive majority and I don’t want them not to have any opposition which I worry will happen when the tories are decimated. Im in a Labour vs snp area and I’m certainly not voting SNP so I may go for a protest vote as none of them inspire me. Starmer is a bit of a mystery as to what he’ll be as a leader. He’s vague so as to not displease anyone.

The rate of increase in life expectancy has been dropping in this country aand the decline seemed to start around 2010, funny that. The economist Danny Blanchflower tweeted this week ‘harsh as it may sound the purpose of austerity - which had no basis in economics and was based on a spreadsheet lie - in the end was to lower the life expectancy of poor people.....that was certainly its main effect’

I don't think Starmer is very good at debating but I think he'll be good at the actual job.

The reasons you won't vote Labour must surely be the same reasons you won't vote Green or LibDem then? Their views on women are far more extreme.

I'm 64.
I shall chose not to take the comments of somebody so I'll educated they can't work out that one could be less than 70 if they were entitled to vote in the 1979 election.

You have also missed the point that I do not think the Conservatives deserve to win this election but I will vote for the Tory candidate in my constituency because the are the best candidate and have the intellect, strength of purpose and vision to help rebuild what is left of the Conservative party on 5th July.

You are quite right about me not using the NHS wherever possible. It failed my family on many occasions between 1997 and 2010. It continues to do so. It is unfit for purpose regardless of any amount of money thrown at it.

Still working full-time and have DC in their latest 20s so not as out of touch as yiu have implied.

No need to justify your politics but you may wish to reflect upon your courtesy.

I think people might find it helpful to look up some of the stuff Starmer did before he went into politics.

I think Starmer has the potential to be a very good PM. He's ethical, he cares about social justice, he cares about corruption in government, he cares about inequality, and he's careful not to over-promise. He's going to have a very difficult job to clear up the horrendous mess we are in at the moment, but I really can't see that any other party or party leader has a hope in hell of achieving it.

I am really superficial and not looking forward to seeing and hearing KS every day on TV - look at his hair - what does he put on it or is it actually solid?

All politicians lie:

Labour know they are going to have to put taxes up drastically if they have any hope if effecting change.

The conservatives know that Labour are going to have to put taxes up in order to effect charge and are going to enjoy watching this. They also know that their method for stopping the boats won’t work and hope no one notices.

The Lib Dens know they have no chance of being in power to see through their pledges, but hope people just vote for them cause they don’t want the Tories in.

The SNP know they have no chance of getting an independence Ref but know their voters are too thick and too motivated anti-English thoughts to vote elsewhere.

Plaid think if they say some SNP-type things about Indy the anti-English people will vote for them too.

The Greens like to project an image of caring about the environment but as seen in Scotland their main motivations are trans rights and truly diabolical economic policies.

Why does no one tell the truth.

I just don't trust Starmer , he didn't give any clear answers to questions last night and will still allow men into women only spaces .

We've got an absolute shower of voting options this year and not one is a clear winner .

You’re not kidding - his hair?! 😂

I wonder if I can ask you some questions please?

Why you feel the Conservatives don't deserve to win this election.
Why you are willing to vote for a party you don't believe in and then wait for them to rebuild when the country is in such a muddle?
How long do you think the rebuilding will take?
What will they be like, what will their policies be and what will they deliver once they have rebuilt?

I’m voting Labour at the moment, I’m not thrilled about it.

Im nervous about them over spending and increasing the welfare budget… I’m nervous about them taxing people like me (and not holding rich people/businesses to account and curbing business fraud). The real issue.

But I can’t vote Tory as they’ve absolutely fucked the economy!

Evil? The 14m people that voted Tory last time were supporting evil?

This fascinates me. What in particular about them was evil? That's a really powerful word. You said they have a long and proven track record of being evil. Can you explain what evil things they have done?

Can you explain what you think evil means?

Or were you deliberately trying to make Labour voters look stupid? Good try if you were.

The conservatives know that Labour are going to have to put taxes up in order to effect charge and are going to enjoy watching this.
The Tories have put up taxes to one of the highest levels ever.

They also know that their method for stopping the boats won’t work and hope no one notices.
The Tories haven't managed to 'stop the boats' and we have noticed how much of our money they have wasted on the failed Rwanda scheme.

Labour look decent to me . The Tories have caused this country pure misery

YANBU. I was a Labour member for 14 years- you couldn’t pay me to vote for them now. It’s genuinely frightening what they’ll do to women.

Spoiling my ballot here since 2019. If vote Party of Women if we had a candidate or may vote SDP as they’re good on sex/gender.

If you acknowledge Labour will put them up again then that will be the new highest ever surely

We’ll be the only country trying to take out gangs as the main method, up against a potential Le Pen gov keen on moving people across the channel

@Dorisbonson , she has already said that she'll be voting for the candidate not the party.

Johnson's 'Let the bodies pile high' comment during covid was evil.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confirms-johnson-said-let-bodies-pile-high-2021-05-26/

I wouldn’t personally have used the word “evil” to describe the Tories but “let the bodies pile high” springs to mind.