Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

Voted Lib Dem

Our local Tory MP never answer emails and I just can't vote for the Torys anymore, I stopped some time ago

Labour can't be arsed to even put a leaflet through the door, neither can the Greens or anyone else in our area. If you can't be arsed then neither can I

Lib Dem candidate bothered to put together a good leaflet so they have my vote

You know damn well that NOT voting Labour is equivalent to voting Tory, so clearly if you're not voting Labour you think we'll be OK if the Tories stay in power.
That's not true @MrsSunshine2b . I'm somewhere where the neighbouring constituencies are True Blue.
I get the impression that the Lib Dems will get a lot of the protest votes.
Labour have no hope of taking those seats.

The Tories leave me cold (however I don't think we'd be in any different a situation if it had been Labour in power for the past 14 years).

What have the Tories done for us in the past 14 years?
Interesting to think what Labour could have done for us instead because this is what they did for us in the previous 13 years....

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Starmer honest 😂

Not wobbling in the slightest. They’ll have my vote next Thursday, and I hope and pray that they win gigantic majority.

In my area a vote for LibDem is a vote for Labour.
When Starmer became leader I thought he was an intelligent guy that would be capable of doing a good job and maybe where needed he and the conservatives could maybe do good together.
I am disappointed in the man.
I don't agree with nor like the Labour manifesto. (Immigration, taxes, pensions, Brexit etc.)
I don't know who to vote for either but our Conservative MP seems a reasonable hardworking person.
I keep thinking of a Shania Twain song about not being impressed!😁

The question should be: Do you want to re elect a government who have lied and cheated and wasted vast amounts of taxpayers money i.e. the current conservative government.
And Sunak is rumoured to have a job lined up which is why he called an early election that most of his party did not want. So even he does not want to be re elected.

The Lib Dem’s openly want to walk all over women’s rights, but at least they are being open about it. Labour come out with some mealy mouthed nonsense about ‘only women being able to access safe spaces’ without adding the utterly essential word ‘biological’ and hoping nobody notices. It’s just so shady of them.

Starmer is a weak, spineless, backstabbing liar. He hasn't made the party electable, just the tories have completely destroyed themselves.
I was no fan of Corbyn but at least he stuck to his principles. Starmer stands for nothing.

That's how FPTP works. We had a referendum on making it more democratic and people were not interested.

Google tactical voting and follow that.
The Tories have to go FFS.
Please, for the love of everything, don’t let the Tories stay in

If you think Starmer's a decent man, just look up his conduct during the Gary Mckinnon case. Vile.

@ShyRedScroller Someone who has taken a party from the extreme left wing party of Corbyn and Momentum, to the centrist party it is now, is not weak. The exact opposite. The extreme left wing may agree with you though that Starmer is a back stabber.

Upon his appointment as head of the CPS in 2008, he inherited the case of Gary McKinnon, an autistic IT expert who had gained unauthorised access to US military databases, hoping to find information about UFOs. Although McKinnon never published any of his findings, the security breach was a major embarrassment for the US state, which issued an indictment that would have seen the hacker imprisoned for up to 70 years. Starmer pledged to do everything in his power to deliver McKinnon to Holder. The defendant was hounded through the courts until 2012, becoming increasingly depressed and suicidal as successive appeals were thrown out. Yet just when it seemed his fate was sealed, home secretary Theresa May suddenly withdrew the extradition order, concluding that “after careful consideration of all of the relevant material […] Mr McKinnon’s extradition would give rise to such a high risk of him ending his life that a decision to extradite would be incompatible with Mr McKinnon’s human rights”. Starmer reacted with fury. The next day he boarded a plane to Washington and met with Holder’s deputies to plead that this episode should not jeopardise their future relationship.

@CosyGoldSnail I see you are repeating stories that feature on extreme left wing sites. I agree, the extreme left wing hate Starmer.

Tony Blair's (Labour government) was PFI's biggest fanboy. Labour also introduced agenda for change, which had a massive impact in it's divisive toxicity.

I think for once what clarkson wrote about labour is correct what they are saying will kill the next generation of farmers.

Not keen on any but my vote will not be for labour

Nope, perfectly verifiable.

Interesting and something to consider, thank you. And more to the point thank you for politely explaining without name calling!

Not wobbling.

Not voting for those bastards.

Starmer is a psychopath with no backbone and no moral compass.

I cannot vote for Labour. I have tried to talk myself into it but it's impossible.

I can only pick Reform as a protest vote even though this probably helps Labour.

The Lib Dems made it a condition of their coalition with the Tories that we would have a vote on AV.

A lot of people voted against AV because they were pissed off with the Lib Dems getting into bed with the Tories. Plus AV is a sort of half way house to PR, a compromise.

The result would be very different today if we had a referendum on PR.

@Absc I rarely feel anger on MN but your comment does make me angry. I have farmers in my family. The conservative government has totally destroyed farming. About half my family were farmers, there is only one left in farming. Conservative policies have made farming impossible unless you run a conglomerate farm with poor animal welfare standards. Basically you have to keep cows indoor in large pens to make milk pay any more. It is criminal.

So you support Reform's policies.
If you think being anti-woke is somehow pro-women you're a fool. A vote for Reform is not a protest, it's a vote for Reform.

A psychopath? How so?