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Paula Vennells is history but now at the Post Office Inquiry is Fujitsu distinguished engineer Gareth Jenkins - thread 4

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nauticant · 25/06/2024 21:22

A continuation of this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5094266-paula-vennells-was-done-the-other-week-the-post-office-inquiry-is-now-questioning-associates-and-others-thread-3

When the hearings are going on, live-streaming can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/featured

All of the previous hearings can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/videos

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minou123 · 28/06/2024 14:10

Oblomov24 · 28/06/2024 13:49

Re the Womble lawyers interviewed, he kept saying he wasn't a criminal lawyer and yet emails showed him giving advice on criminal proceedings. For their bill of £38 million!

They were all at it - giving advice in areas where they had no business interfering.

Mark Davies PR guy - giving legal strategy advice to Paula Vennells
Jamail Singh Criminal lawyer - giving PR advice to comms team.
Angela Van De Boegard manager - giving IT advice to parliament and lawyers.
And so on.

But the minute they are questioned in the inquiry about it they either have selective amnesia or completely distance themselves saying something like "What I wrote, wasn't what I meant".

nauticant · 28/06/2024 14:10

Re-examination by Clair Dobbin KC, counsel for GJ. Let's see whether she's able to undo any of the damage of the past 3 days.

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Olgipolgi · 28/06/2024 14:37

She’s doing a good job. So calm.

CustardySergeant · 28/06/2024 14:38

Olgipolgi · 28/06/2024 14:37

She’s doing a good job. So calm.

She sounds as if she's reading him a bedtime story. I'll be asleep in a minute.

JenniferBooth · 28/06/2024 15:12

JenniferBooth · 26/06/2024 15:53

I had a visit from my housing association income officer on Monday . Insisting we owe rent when we dont.

Get a load of this.

"OneSanctuary SAP is the name of a multi-million pound software system brought in by Sanctuary in 2016, designed for use by all areas of the business. It has been an unmitigated failure, and is a huge drawback of working for this company.
The issues caused by SAP are staggering and difficult to keep track of. Because SHA tried to implement SAP in a cost effective manner, they ended up vastly under-investing in critical elements. There is no tailoring of the generically presented system ('vanilla SAP'), which is an issue as social housing is a unique environment from a service delivery and CRM perspective, whereas vanilla SAP is more geared towards providing a solution for manufacturing industries. Thus, the system uses corporate nonsensical buzzwords and methods of handling accounts which absolutely do not reflect industry practice.
Here are just some examples of the more specific issues faced by staff:
No rent statements have been issued since it was implemented in August 2016, and if a resident insists on a rent statement it has to be prepared manually in a spreadsheet
The rent and calculations for accounts are hard to use, and often completely wrong. Mostly because the system was never designed to understand housing benefit payments, and this has a very convoluted workaround which a computer cannot make sense of.
SAP cannot interface with Local Authorities Housing benefit systems so payments are missed, lost or misattributed
Direct debits do not work reliably, and for a long time following the implementation did not work at all. Front line staff are now preferring standing order.
The front end system of SAP requires far more testing and money spent on it. Each customer account is a total mess of information, with no discernible way to separate notes left between differing departments, with information left by staff often going into the wrong account entirely. This needs looking at as from a compliance (DPA) point of view the breaches are serious
From a usability point of view, the view of a customers account within SAP CIC does not display appropriate information to the user (as stated before this is likely because the system was never designed to be used by a HA) and the user often has to go trawling around back end systems to find obviously relevant data (e.g tenancy start date, account balance, property type etc). This is a seemingly minor but considerable waste of resources"

And just like Horizon and the PO they will not admit that anything is wrong.

He stood at my door on Monday and pretended to look bewildered when i told him i knew all about their SAP. He also gaslighted me when i reminded him that this harassment has been going on for seven years and we have had previous letters demanding rent we dont owe and he had the gall to tell me that they were just general rent increase letters I can read. i know what they are and have kept them all. The first ones are tucked inside my 2017 diary with all the notes about their lies and obfuscation when all this started which is still going on.

And now a letter dated 21 June demanding £299 so letter was done 3 days before the income officer was stood at my door pretending that he didnt know what i was talking about. We apparently have to pay AGAIN because their system cannot find the money thats already been paid

JenniferBooth · 28/06/2024 15:13

"we cant find a record of your recent payment" No shit its the computer system you are using

Lunde · 28/06/2024 15:15

JenniferBooth · 28/06/2024 15:13

"we cant find a record of your recent payment" No shit its the computer system you are using

Tell them to look in the suspense account

CustardySergeant · 28/06/2024 15:19

This is so tedious.

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 15:21

CustardySergeant · 28/06/2024 15:19

This is so tedious.

The husband dropped up again and I welcomed the interruption tbh.

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 15:24

Clearly reading the thread and wrapped it up 😁

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 16:47

DanielGault · Today 13:57

Just for you:

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 16:50

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 16:47

DanielGault · Today 13:57

Just for you:

OMG! We actually had a video of them growing up! That brings up memories 😍

dewfirst · 28/06/2024 17:21

Now I have to work like crazy this weekend to make up all the time I’ve spent glued to this all week !
Thank goodness we all get Monday off….

eeyoredebbie · 28/06/2024 18:40

Might even be Tuesday as well… and only one day as they aren’t sitting when the election is on

Olgipolgi · 28/06/2024 18:56

It’s an addiction !

nauticant · 28/06/2024 19:03

Evidence Week 12
Tuesday 2 July, Tim Parker - former Chair of Post Office Ltd
Wednesday 3 July, Tim Parker - former Chair of Post Office Ltd
Thursday 4 July, Not sitting
Friday 5 July, Not sitting

The relevance of Parker:
https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/secret-2016-post-office-chairman-s-report-not-shared-with-po-board/

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minou123 · 28/06/2024 19:29

Is Tim Parker the one with the hair

I know I shouldn't comment about people's appearance, but describing him as middle aged white man probably won't narrow it down. 😬

eeyoredebbie · 28/06/2024 19:31

Thank you as always @nauticant the Swift report I had of course heard mention of but by golly they hid him in the cupboard with Simon Clarke etc didn’t they!

Cailleach1 · 28/06/2024 19:36

Just to say it is Tim Moloney, not Maloney. You can hear the Yorkshire accent, but with a name like Moloney, I have started to refer to him as the Irish Yorkshireman.

Those questioning such wrong doings are rather reassuring, and restore faith a little. I must admit I have a soft spot for them all.

Username056 · 28/06/2024 19:40

Ok I may be going slightly mad but I think one of the enquiry videos of Gareth Jenkins has disappeared. I was watching the first day of his evidence which was day 156 am session I think. Went away to do something came back to it and the morning session has gone. Day 156 pm is there. During the session which I think was 156 am Gareth did start to talk about conversations he’d had with his solicitor and Jason warned him he was at risk of waiving his privilege by accident. I wonder if this is why it appears to have gone?

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 19:45

minou123 · 28/06/2024 19:29

Is Tim Parker the one with the hair

I know I shouldn't comment about people's appearance, but describing him as middle aged white man probably won't narrow it down. 😬

😂😂😂😂

Oblomov24 · 28/06/2024 19:45
old version / cartoon version? This is the one I remember.
DanielGault · 28/06/2024 19:47

minou123 · 28/06/2024 19:29

Is Tim Parker the one with the hair

I know I shouldn't comment about people's appearance, but describing him as middle aged white man probably won't narrow it down. 😬

Jesus, now that you say it, isn't it amazing that lack of black people there? It's quite shocking.

minou123 · 28/06/2024 19:52

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 19:47

Jesus, now that you say it, isn't it amazing that lack of black people there? It's quite shocking.

There isn't a lot of diversity in POL Head Office, boatd and Senior Leadership.

nauticant · 28/06/2024 21:12

But on the other hand they tended to be open to diversity when they were sending those far beneath them to prison. In fact, that might count as a form of affirmative action.

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