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most of us would steal a million from a big multinational if we knew we'd get away with it

141 replies

allmyown · 22/06/2024 21:39

I would. I would also steal from some individuals, like Sunak, or other multimillionaires.

OP posts:
Onedancewontdo · 23/06/2024 01:42

A friend of mine was working as a pa for someone who was discredited worldwide. His last actions before he fled justice was to authorise a card payment for £750k. However he didn’t give her a name. As she has heard through social media he would be investigated she transfered to a load of friends. This was 12 years ago and she has never been traced. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

SpringerFall · 23/06/2024 02:12

No I do have my self respect

Asiatoyork · 23/06/2024 02:16

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:35

With the level of sophisticated supply chain and logistics such companies would have in place, they’d know how many rings went on to the truck and would spot the discrepancy.

So whilst you’re enjoying your ill gotten gains, the poor driver of that transport vehicle probably ends up getting sacked and prosecuted for theft.

This is a theoretical question to tease out how people think rather than planning the actual logistics! Like the moral question about diverting a train to hit one person to save two. OP said that there would be no consequences for anyone working there in this thought experiment.

Interestingly there are parallels there with the discomfort a PP felt when presented with the actual act of taking the money - in this experiment people were less comfortable with pushing the one person in the path rather than pressing a button to divert the train, even though the outcome was the same.

Sorry - as you were!

ll09sm · 23/06/2024 02:19

Just because you are a thief, doesn’t mean everyone else is. Hope your employer catches you.

DramaAlpaca · 23/06/2024 02:37

Hmm. I'd consider it. I'd even think very carefully about how I could do it. But would I actually put my cunning plan into place? No. I wouldn't. I'd be too afraid of getting caught and having to deal with the consequences.

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 02:51

theres a good film called entrapment with catherine zeta jones

HRTQueen · 23/06/2024 06:38

If I worked for a large company that ripped off their customers and they accidentally added a few zeros to my wage I would quite easily pretend I didn’t notice and would hope that they had down this to others too

its still dishonest but I am beyond caring I am being constantly ripped off from t bills, mortgage, car insurance to HRMC (who fail spectacularly or getting things wrong adding outrageous fees and on top of this can’t run a service to support people with their tax enquiries it’s beyond bad service)

Gingerdancedbackwards · 23/06/2024 06:45

allmyown · 22/06/2024 22:39

Hmmm, no, not personal, like something someone owned personally - maybe a diamond ring, in "impersonal" circumstances, such as they are transporting a big cargo of diamond rings across country and one falls out of their vehicle into my trouser turn up as I am cycling along side them...... no cctv - yes, I would certainly keep it, sell it, enjoy the money....

Are you teaching your children such immoralty?

Gingerdancedbackwards · 23/06/2024 06:47

pandasorous · 22/06/2024 23:01

gosh the fun police are out tonight. I assume OP made the thread in jest

for myself, I would be happy to steal from a corporation - depending on which one it was - no qualms taking such cash from someone like Elon, or one of the oil shaykhs (less money for them to spend on debauchery). but I would give it to charity.

And you have it in impeccable authority that all Sheiks only spend their money on 'debauchery'?

WellsAgain · 23/06/2024 06:49

we had a situation when someone stole from the company. The police were involved. It resulted in a significant amount of stress for several people who it was perceived should have “spotted “ this fraud.

theft is theft. It is a question of morality. Also most of our pensions are invested in these large multi nationals which are being referred to.

Mummadeze · 23/06/2024 07:00

No, I just don’t see what right I would have to take someone else’s money. I am shocked at all the people saying they would.

pandasorous · 23/06/2024 07:29

Gingerdancedbackwards · 23/06/2024 06:47

And you have it in impeccable authority that all Sheiks only spend their money on 'debauchery'?

pretty much but not all sheikhs (this is used as a first name all over the world and not just in oil rich regions and also used as a title by religious scholars), as specified oil sheikhs. and didn't say they spend ALL their money on debauchery, but a lot of it, yes. the stories I could tell you.

ps I am taking from personal experience and I'm Muslim (not that I think the majority of oil sheikhs practise Islam in any meaningful way) of middle Eastern ancestry.

either way, this whole thread is tongue in cheek. so maybe take a chill pill?

curious79 · 23/06/2024 07:46

You’re just a thief. Doesn’t matter who the target is.
i imagine you’d lift the odd bit of jewellery, cash or small things from friends or relatives if you thought they had a little bit too much

keep trying to justify your low moral integrity though …..

Longma · 23/06/2024 07:53

No, I wouldn't steal money from anyone, rich or poor.

Having had someone break into my home to try to steal things I wouldn't chose to out anyone through that.

I'm quite sure the people trying to steal from me thought they could justify it as they likely had less than I did (I'm not multi-millionaire rich!)

There's always someone, generally, who is less well off than you. Does your way of thinking then mean that it's okay if they come and steal from you?

Longma · 23/06/2024 07:59

And it wasn't what they did or didn't take that was the overriding issue, when we were broken in to. It was the fact that someone had come in and tried to take my things, the loss of feeling secure. It wasn't personal but it felt personal. It took a long time to feel safe at home again. It took a while for,my child to,feel secure too.

Would I willingly put another person through that, just because they're rich? No

And even with the multi-billionaire rich - someone would be held accountable. It might not be the one who owns the wealth either.

ImPunbelievable · 23/06/2024 08:58

curious79 · 23/06/2024 07:46

You’re just a thief. Doesn’t matter who the target is.
i imagine you’d lift the odd bit of jewellery, cash or small things from friends or relatives if you thought they had a little bit too much

keep trying to justify your low moral integrity though …..

This is such rubbish it's a hypothetical situation!!

I'm with the OP on a multinational who wouldn't notice/ I'd get away with it. Have never stolen as much as a piece of picnmix elsewhere!

Kovus · 23/06/2024 08:59

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:29

As someone who spent over 20 years working for two FTSE Top 30 multinational companies in their risk management departments, their financial controls are very tight and you’d be amazed at some of the tactics they use to identify fraud and other inappropriate activities. Even if you were able to appropriate the money, an incident like that would definitely be investigated.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime either, which means the company could look to recoup the loss by raising prices or, more likely, determine that the process control failure that allowed you to steal the money could be prevented through increased automation and adoption of digital technology and AI at a more rapid pace, likely resulting in a load of obsolete roles and people being made redundant.

This is all very true these days, but internal controls were never as strong. I have several experiences in a professional capacity including;

A listed life business with a capital budget of £X millions a year for specific equipment which was always underbudget. The supplier would send invoices for the full amount. They and the procurer would pocket the difference. It was around £2m a year on average over three years.

A large still privately-owned manufacturer had a stock difference on steel of £1m between one stocktake period and the next. After numerous double-checks it was confirmed the stock could only have been physically removed, ie not an accounting error.

An estate agent who with her wider family built a large property company since the 1980's mortgaged the whole lot, plus her home, to buy a commercial property overseas. When the cash was in the bank she disappeared to a small country and never came back. The key to all the properties were neatly labelled and laid out on an office table. These days the banks do more stringent checks before releasing the money.

If you go back about 30 years many large business deals were done in cash. Real cash. I was once at a meeting where £600k was offered to buy a property and the purchaser opened a briefcase, turned it round, and the money was literally there. This was a key executive with a well known building society.

Just to add - not a single one of the above was ever brought to account.

Oblomov24 · 23/06/2024 09:02

Interesting. My first thought was hell yes, but only from a big boy not the little man, but I don't think it'd be enjoyable because it would always be tainted money.

AdoraBell · 23/06/2024 09:04

I would not.

Kovus · 23/06/2024 09:07

most of us would steal a million from a big multinational if we knew we'd get away with it

The issue I have with this is statement is that no one can every really know. If having weighed up the risks, one can only make an assumption. We can only know if we can foresee all possible risks. We would have to be pretty clued up to do that. And if that is the case we should be in a position to be smarter than the average human being and able to make money in honest ways.

Soubriquet · 23/06/2024 09:10

God yes. They probably wouldn’t even notice it. It’s pennies to them

CoralReader · 23/06/2024 09:10

Anybody would do anything if they knew they wouldn’t get caught,

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 23/06/2024 09:11

No. I’d have no pleasure spending stolen money.

SlothOnARope · 23/06/2024 09:14

Doesn't surprise me OP. Attitudes like yours are sadly the norm now.

I don't steal anything from anyone nor would I ever, despite hating corporate greed and being on my arse financially with no security.

Why did you start this thread, is it a survey of how immoral we've become under the current government?

NalafromtheLionKing · 23/06/2024 09:15

MILTOBE · 22/06/2024 22:22

I wouldn't do those things, by the way! Just wondering how far the OP would go.

It’s an interesting question. I wonder how many people who are sent things in error or undercharged at the till would speak up, too.