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most of us would steal a million from a big multinational if we knew we'd get away with it

141 replies

allmyown · 22/06/2024 21:39

I would. I would also steal from some individuals, like Sunak, or other multimillionaires.

OP posts:
LifeExperience · 22/06/2024 23:31

No. Thou shalt not steal.

GalacticalFarce · 22/06/2024 23:33

I wouldn't. If I did, I'd end up not being able to spend it on myself or my family as it would be 'tainted'
If you mean "stealing" in a more wink wink nudge nudge way like some insider trading tips then yeah, I'd do that.

ItsDifficult · 22/06/2024 23:34

I wouldn't steal it.

If it got paid into my bank account by mistake (for instance) and I knew nobody would ever find out, then it would be tempting!!!

Soonenough · 22/06/2024 23:38

And the rest.

mjf981 · 22/06/2024 23:39

I absolutely would given the criteria in the OP. And I wouldn’t feel guilty at all.

Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 22/06/2024 23:43

RubberyChicken · 22/06/2024 23:30

It's just wrong. You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a baby. You wouldn't shoot a policeman and then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet and then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again!

I would

ShadesofPoachedSmoke · 23/06/2024 00:05

NoseNothing · 22/06/2024 22:46

Shell made £22.3bn in profit last year. £1m of that is 0.0045% of that.

To put that into perspective. I have about £50k in savings. 0.0045% of that is £2.25 I think. Literally less than a cup of coffee.

So yes, I would take it if I could guarantee I would never be caught. It’s pocket change to them.

Love this.

Really puts it into perspective.

ShadesofPoachedSmoke · 23/06/2024 00:08

crackofdoom · 22/06/2024 23:03

I would, in a heartbeat. And give most of it away to small charities/ worthy causes. If we're talking hypothetically (as we are),I would do it again, and again, and again, too. I would steal a million from the guy who owns Pornhub and give it to Women's Aid and charities helping trafficked women. I would steal a million from a property developer and give it to Shelter and homeless charities. I would steal a million from an oil company and give it to organisations fighting climate change. Etcetera.

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Robin Hood 2024 Reboot.

Yes! I love this.

Opposum · 23/06/2024 00:16

There are 2 problems with this
a) Slippery slope - as PP said completely justifies poorer country people stealing from those in richer countries
b) 'Giving to charity' bwahaha a lie people tell to absolve themselves of guilt. Not only will you get the charity into trouble for potentially money laundering... But if you want to have a nice life, never work etc there won't be much change out of a million needing investment.

Catsmere · 23/06/2024 00:19

If none of the employees would suffer for it, then probably. It would see me out for the rest of my life.

If we talked about pinching it from billionaires who'd never know it was gone, it'd depend who. Trump, Zuckerberg, Musk et al - hell yeah. Jo Rowling, absolutely not.

Opposum · 23/06/2024 00:21

Also the premise of the OP is 'most' of us would.
I don't think that's true.
If I wanted to be pedantic the definition of 'steal' involves 'taking' without permission.
I don't think being given it, and keeping quiet properly meets this definition.

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:29

As someone who spent over 20 years working for two FTSE Top 30 multinational companies in their risk management departments, their financial controls are very tight and you’d be amazed at some of the tactics they use to identify fraud and other inappropriate activities. Even if you were able to appropriate the money, an incident like that would definitely be investigated.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime either, which means the company could look to recoup the loss by raising prices or, more likely, determine that the process control failure that allowed you to steal the money could be prevented through increased automation and adoption of digital technology and AI at a more rapid pace, likely resulting in a load of obsolete roles and people being made redundant.

Floralnomad · 23/06/2024 00:32

I wouldn’t but that is because I’m an honest person.

Toooldtoworry · 23/06/2024 00:35

Having worked for what I have (which is not 10s of thousands, let alone millions) there is no way I'd steal money from anyone. Money is too hard to come by.

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:35

allmyown · 22/06/2024 22:39

Hmmm, no, not personal, like something someone owned personally - maybe a diamond ring, in "impersonal" circumstances, such as they are transporting a big cargo of diamond rings across country and one falls out of their vehicle into my trouser turn up as I am cycling along side them...... no cctv - yes, I would certainly keep it, sell it, enjoy the money....

With the level of sophisticated supply chain and logistics such companies would have in place, they’d know how many rings went on to the truck and would spot the discrepancy.

So whilst you’re enjoying your ill gotten gains, the poor driver of that transport vehicle probably ends up getting sacked and prosecuted for theft.

MoonshineSon · 23/06/2024 00:38

Oh I would if I knew they had got their money from being bastards or were using their wealth to make the world a worse place.
For example Michelle Mone, Boris Johnson, Putin, Farage, etc

aloha90210 · 23/06/2024 00:45

I'd probably steal a lesser amount but a million seems a bit risqué. I'd always be paranoid that I'd get found out

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 23/06/2024 00:45

Not me, I feel guilty just calling in sick for work

JamSandle · 23/06/2024 00:46

Absolutely I would.

Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 23/06/2024 00:53

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:35

With the level of sophisticated supply chain and logistics such companies would have in place, they’d know how many rings went on to the truck and would spot the discrepancy.

So whilst you’re enjoying your ill gotten gains, the poor driver of that transport vehicle probably ends up getting sacked and prosecuted for theft.

You are right but I love the level of thought and planning that went into this answer. Cycling alongside a diamond ring lorry with trousers hopefully turned up 😁 also lest we forget the original question was would you steal from a zillionaire if you could guarantee you would never get caught!! So blowing your cover is not part of the question.

Edit: we could also all do an orchestrated mumsnet "I'm Sparticus" to save the hypothetical lorry driver.

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 01:06

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:29

As someone who spent over 20 years working for two FTSE Top 30 multinational companies in their risk management departments, their financial controls are very tight and you’d be amazed at some of the tactics they use to identify fraud and other inappropriate activities. Even if you were able to appropriate the money, an incident like that would definitely be investigated.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime either, which means the company could look to recoup the loss by raising prices or, more likely, determine that the process control failure that allowed you to steal the money could be prevented through increased automation and adoption of digital technology and AI at a more rapid pace, likely resulting in a load of obsolete roles and people being made redundant.

considering risk management etc how in gods name did some banks etc over leverage themselves and cause the 2008 financial crisis ?

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 01:07

Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 23/06/2024 00:53

You are right but I love the level of thought and planning that went into this answer. Cycling alongside a diamond ring lorry with trousers hopefully turned up 😁 also lest we forget the original question was would you steal from a zillionaire if you could guarantee you would never get caught!! So blowing your cover is not part of the question.

Edit: we could also all do an orchestrated mumsnet "I'm Sparticus" to save the hypothetical lorry driver.

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i guess pay the drive on the side or someone "drops" a bag near him then it could be said he finds a bag of money etc

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 01:09

as much as id want the money for bills, i guess id rather be poor and honest

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 01:19

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 01:06

considering risk management etc how in gods name did some banks etc over leverage themselves and cause the 2008 financial crisis ?

Because they allowed their strategy to be driven too heavily from risk models that had been designed based on the performance data for the financial markets that had been “a bull market” since the mid/late 90s. These models had a huge blind spot as they neglected to consider the black swan events - those “highly unlikely” but catastrophic scenarios, such as the US housing and mortgage market stopping growing and mortgage defaults going through the roof.

Then you’ve got the crazy financial instruments they came up with to make more money (CDOs, CDOs squared etc) that made the global market so complicated and interconnected.

I’d recommend watching The Big Short- a great film based on a Michael Lewis book of the same name that explains it really well.

OperationDinnerout · 23/06/2024 01:28

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 01:19

Because they allowed their strategy to be driven too heavily from risk models that had been designed based on the performance data for the financial markets that had been “a bull market” since the mid/late 90s. These models had a huge blind spot as they neglected to consider the black swan events - those “highly unlikely” but catastrophic scenarios, such as the US housing and mortgage market stopping growing and mortgage defaults going through the roof.

Then you’ve got the crazy financial instruments they came up with to make more money (CDOs, CDOs squared etc) that made the global market so complicated and interconnected.

I’d recommend watching The Big Short- a great film based on a Michael Lewis book of the same name that explains it really well.

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already been there with big short the film not the book and the film margin call too,
very much appricated for your analysis

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