Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

Fair point, but I wasn't agreeing with the insult, I was agreeing with the stats. For what it's worth I think civility in a discussion is important, even when folk are very strongly opposed.

"And yes, I have 2 daughters, I am not in the least bit concerned about them being in a cubicle next door to a trans woman."

I'm sorry you have no interest in safeguarding your own daughters and would offer them up to be in an intimate space with any man who says he's a woman.

Do you really believe that every transwoman is acting in bad faith?

Id say a very hefty proportion of those who decide to 'identify as a woman' only after their arrest are, which is a significant proportion. Do you think something else is going on in that situation?

And how many does it take? How many women need to be traumatised by being locked up with men for you to decide this is a bad thing. Let's have a number ...

Well if you think it doesn't matter then what's the problem with him being in the correct prison. Self ID isn't actually law and he didn't have a GRC so he was. for all purposes, a man.

Female prison guards are expected to carry out intimate searches on men who "self ID". Or in the case of Sophie Eastwood demand that prison guards hold his hand when he leaves his cell because he now identified as a female infant. Fortunately this man who killed another man in the male prison estate has now been transferred back there and still isn't deemed safe for release or transfer to a lower security prison 5 years after his minimum term had been reached.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-now-identifies-infant-who-26675614

I wish JKR would just pipe down I wish she’d go into politics. She’d have my vote.

hear hear.

his would solve my dilemma as I cannot in good conscience vote Labour just to boot out Tory because of this issue.

Exactly, it's what vulnerable prisoner units were created for.

Women's rights and the safety of not only my daughters, but all young girls is a huge issue to me.
Therefore I will not vote Labour.

There seems to be a reluctance to answer from posters who claim this is a non issue or women shouldn’t raise it

Which spaces do you think it’s ok for men to be in? Can you say where - prisons, sports, refuges?

For prisons if you are segregating anyway just use same sex provision, not sure why it’s important for you to not do this?

Are you under the impression that the government provided any protection or support for women when the first refuges were being created? No, they bloody didn’t. Women campaigned and organised and raised money and created those shelters. And they didn’t have the support of any multi million pound charities equivalent to Stonewall either.

Just for everyone's information, total segregation is very rare. In the case of women 'segregated' in limerick women's prison, they are segregated for 23 hours.

Then there are the female guards that need to deal with them.

Stonewall has a huge amount of endowments. The my could be pouring many millions into third spaces.

Not sure who posted this but it’s sad for the dds that safeguarding doesn’t feature

Some of you are coming across as though you believe the 0.1% of trans women are on a mission to abuse women. Are you serious?

@cremebrulait 💯. Plus there are all manner of solutions!!! And people use the topic to be inflammatory. Give them RADAR keys if need be.

I think most women would agree with you - but apparently transwomen don't want their own separate facilities. They want to use women's facilities. THIS is the issue you are ignoring.

Sports - imho its going to mean finding a middle ground where not all is fair. But that said. Not all is fair anyway!!
maybe let them choose their team with a % change to their times based on science. Team sports - maybe its just not fair. Maybe a new category like tier system in paralympics?

Or maybe a new transgender category whIch would be fair to everybody ?

Transgender have 2x the rate of disability vs cisgender

What is the research that shows that Transgender have 2x the rate of disability vs cisgender ??

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Once upon a time… and many people still believe that, but language has moved on, in the same way (and in living memory), that gay meant happy and queer meant strange.

No. Transwomen can be genuine. They still present a threat to women and girls.

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-miller-jailed-for-20-years-for-abducting-and-sexually-assaulting-girl-in-scottish-borders-12983829

All it takes is one transwoman like Lia Thomas to make a whole room of 40 girls feel frightened when he is walking around naked with a boner while they are trying to get changed.

No, your point was that no one minds. But people do mind.

However, because those people are mostly women (the female kind) - some of them religious women or SA and DV survivors - they don’t really matter, do they?

Starmer kicked off his campaign in Kent. Invited lots of labour people to the event. But the only Labour MP in Kent was NOT INVITED.

Rosie Duffield.

Because she would not "pipe down". And she's not exactly asking for the moon, just for women's rights to be respected. But yeah, pipe down you troublesome wimmin!

Starmer is a fucking disgrace. And women who want other women to just shut up need to give their heads a shake.

Do you really believe that every transwoman is acting in bad faith?

Id say a very hefty proportion of those who decide to 'identify as a woman' only after their arrest are, which is a significant proportion. Do you think something else is going on in that situation?

And how many does it take? How many women need to be traumatised by being locked up with men for you to decide this is a bad thing. Let's have a number ...”

Fair enough. The only men I was harmed by were my father and my brother, very much “men”.

I have never felt threatened by transwomen. I can only speak for myself.

There are other issues far more pressing to me, child poverty and homelessness at the top of the list along with -for selfish reasons, I absolutely admit - the deterioration in cancer care. I was diagnosed and operated on within 6 weeks in 2016. I’m several weeks into a 4 month wait, on an urgent referral, to find out whether the tumour I now have is cancerous.

I think it’s a great pity that an incredibly wealthy person who could just bypass the system should the need arise is putting others off of voting for the party that is most likely to benefit millions of women and girls (and men and boys) in tangible, practical ways.

I have never felt threatened by transwomen. I can only speak for myself.

Well quite. Spare a thought to the women way more vulnerable to this impingement on their rights than you are.

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MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:03
Do you really believe that every transwoman is acting in bad faith?
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Id say a very hefty proportion of those who decide to 'identify as a woman' only after their arrest are, which is a significant proportion. Do you think something else is going on in that situation?
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And how many does it take? How many women need to be traumatised by being locked up with men for you to decide this is a bad thing. Let's have a number ...”

Fair enough. The only men I was harmed by were my father and my brother, very much “men”.

I have never felt threatened by transwomen. I can only speak for myself.

There are other issues far more pressing to me, child poverty and homelessness at the top of the list along with -for selfish reasons, I absolutely admit - the deterioration in cancer care. I was diagnosed and operated on within 6 weeks in 2016. I’m several weeks into a 4 month wait, on an urgent referral, to find out whether the tumour I now have is cancerous.

I think it’s a great pity that an incredibly wealthy person who could just bypass the system should the need arise is putting others off of voting for the party that is most likely to benefit millions of women and girls (and men and boys) in tangible, practical

Trans women aren’t beardy men in dresses they are women.

Please define what a woman is.

Because it isn't wearing a dress, wearing makeup, feeling "feminine", liking stereotypically female things or anything else that this misogynistic and stereotypical gender identity bollocks tries to perpetuate.

It isn't "feeling like a woman". It is impossible for any man to know what being a woman feels like.....because he isn't one and never will be.

I like makeup, wearing high heels, musicals, have children and am married to a man. My next door neighbour is a woman and has a shaved head, likes wearing men's clothes, likes football, has never had children and is married to a woman.

We are totally opposite in every way. Apart from one pretty major thing, our biology. What unites us as women is that we are both biologically female.

Being a woman can only ever be about biological sex. It certainly is never a feeling inside a man's head.

Some of you are posting as if transwomen aren't men.

Are you serious?

No one cares about anyone's trans identity. We care about men in women's spaces.
If trans women weren't men they couldn't be trans.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences, and I hope that you have good news about your health soon.