Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

*You will not get a balanced or informed view on Mumsnet- it is well known as a hotbed of transphobia and the owners have made only very weak attempts to tackle it.

The vast majority of ordinary people do not care about trans people, it's not as if it's not entirely possible for a man identifying as a man to walk into a woman's toilets if they so choose anyway. Nearly all trans people just want to be left alone to be who they are without being harassed for it. You get predatory trans people no more often than you get predatory cis people.

JKR is clearly traumatised by her experiences with men and seems to enjoy the attention she gets from punching down to an already marginalised and vulnerable group. It's a shame she's decided to destroy her own legacy, but she can have her opinion- I (and many other people) will just stop paying attention to her or buying anything related to her.

And yes, I have 2 daughters, I am not in the least bit concerned about them being in a cubicle next door to a trans woman.*

Hear, hear👏👏👏

@MrsSunshine2b please explain how it's bigoted to recognise that male people are far more violent than female people, as a class.

Do you honestly think it's bigoted to use the term 'male pattern violence'?

Do you have any understanding of safeguarding or how patterns of behaviour are used to help try to minimise violence against women and girls?

What?

where did I say that?

il save you the time - I didn’t.

wheesht @EasternStandard know your place 😳🤯

And now it’s trans women.

No, for the 1000000th time. Its men.

Whether they are black, white or gay.

Actually data suggests more so

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

We are never ever safe.

Men’s attitudes from childhood, behaviours, and beliefs need addressing.

No amount of transphobia will help this.

Classic example of someone who:

a) hasn’t actually read what JKR said
b) hasn’t provided specific examples of transphobia on mumsnet but parrots the line anyway
c) claims to not pay any attention to JKR except where it’s on a thread about JKR on mumsnet of course
d) claims to have daughters to validate their post and point of view. You could have fifteen daughters for all we care!

have you polled the “vast majority of people”?

So we agree men are the problem. Not trans women. Because it’s nothing to do with what they’re wearing.

Indeed @AccidentallyWesAnderson thank you and also thank you @MrsClownland the voices of reason amongst delusional posters.

@Clarabell77 how very odd you found my post aggressive. The F word perhaps. Maybe you need to toughen up a little.

Personally, I find men pretending/claiming to be women forcing themselves on actual women and into our spaces to be aggressive.

Actually here in the UK transwomen are more likely to commit murder than to be a victim of murder.

So few transwomen have been murdered over the last 15 years that we know all their names and how they died. Most were killed due to drug dealing or prostitution, which are obviously high risk activities for anyone.

Many organisations trained by Stonewall have tried to frame women with gender critical views as bigots and Employment Tribunals have time and time again ruled against employers who have discriminated against their employees.
It’s a shame some posters here don’t do their research but instead try and smear others as racists and bigots.

That's nice for you OP that you feel women's same sex spaces are no longer necessary or wanted.

But many many women disagree.

Women have had single sex spaces for about 5 minutes. They are now being taken away. If we don't tackle this our daughters & granddaughters won't ever know what a space just for women and girls is.

Congratulations on your luxury beliefs.

Anyone else disappointed that the predatory lesbian hasn't made an appearance yet? I was hoping for a full bingo card.

There’s time yet @334bu

For fucks sake, I don’t think any part of you is actually thinking tbh. The Scottish government did NOT put a male sex attacker in a women’s prison. He was initially in the women’s prison estate - SEGREGATED! and was swiftly transferred to the men’s where he belongs.

No, but YouGov has, and found that whilst views differ on issues like trans women in women's sports etc., only 8% of people actually pay much attention to the so called "trans debate", and most of us are much more interested in living our own lives than worrying about what's under the skirts of other people.

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

Lucky you for never having cause to worry about being in a confined space alone with a man, I hope you never do find a male sex offender next to you on a hospital ward. And I am sure you are quite happy to be reduced to body parts ‘person with a cervix’ or a ‘body with a vagina’ but aside from most of us finding that intensely insulting, it means those with English as an additional language miss out on vital screening. Maybe being strip searched by a male officer who is aroused by the thought is fine with you?

You want a PM who will refuse to speak the name of a female MP from his own party or admit she is correct, but will instead say a male ex PM is correct for saying the same thing? How do you think that supports women?

Transwomen are men. That's where the risk comes from.

And he would have been put into a women's prison if there hadn't been an outcry.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/what-do-british-public-really-think-about-trans-people

The fact that he was there AT ALL, speaks fucking volumes!!

People genuinely used to think that black people were a bigger threat to women and children than white people.

To make your analogy work, you need to compare like for like, so it used to be black people and now it's men. Let's take a look at that.

'People genuinely used to think that men were a bigger threat to women and children than women'

Hmm, makes sense to me.

Do you disagree that men are a bigger threat to women and children than women?