Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

Alot of people maybe not be interested in the trans situation, because they’re unaware what’s happening. It’s only when people like JK Rowling speak up, or the Scottish government putting male sex attackers in female prisons, that a lot of people are aware what’s happening .

Part of me thinks that if the Labour Party are uncertain what a woman is (which is roughly 50% of the voting population), what else are they uncertain about.

It is impossible to police because we do not all conform to gender norms.

adherence to gender ideology reinforces gender stereotypes, it’s not good for society as it’s misogynistic and homophobic. Women and girls don’t need to validate others’ beliefs that they can change sex.

why is a party that originally stood for the working classes (ha ha bloody fooled them!) supporting rich and powerful multinationals behind this drive to push gender ideology and make $$$$.

if people want to spout transwomen are women, we know it’s easy for you to say out loud or type for social point scoring but we know IRL that you all know they’re men too.

The tide has turned and women won’t wheesht.

When they started allowing black people into "white only" spaces in the US, a lot of white people also flounced off. They weren't missed much.

@Clarabell77 women recognise one another. We sound like one another. Men who identify as women really don't.

I've been going to gay clubs since I was 15 and in all these years I've never once met a transwoman who passes.

I even happened to see a transwoman who is a famous 'model' who has spent thousands on facial surgery and my immediate thought was that it was a man in drag.

You get predatory trans people no more often than you get predatory cis people.

Quite right, transwomen are just as likely to be predatory as other men.

As a 60 year old woman I have more issue with what they are likely to do with pensions and savings. I do support GC issues but at this point in my life I don’t want all the hard work and sacrifice to ensure that I can support myself through post retirement without having to rely on benefits to have been a waste of time.
It’s possible that Labour will be in power for the rest of my life, I am really concerned about their less than transparent plans re tax and pensions/savings.

I’m Lucky that I won’t have to rely on a state pension but Labour will have to find the money from somewhere and the triple lock pension is not safe. Recent increases due to high inflation rates could result in a freeze of the state pension if they decide to remove the triple lock.

Nearly 25% of the population are over 60. They are likely to lose out financially due under a Labour government. They are also likely to be the main demographic to vote in large numbers.

Many pensioners have done well over the last few years with decent interest rates boosting their savings. We have seen rock bottom interest rates since 2010, prior to that they have averaged 5% since the mid 90s.
Unless you are a true socialist, most people vote for what will be in their best interests. Although we all want change, I think Labour will be forced to increase taxes across the board.

There is a shred of hope for us old folks if Labour do as promises and save the NHS alongside providing adequate care facilities for the aging population. I look forward to seeing how they propose to fund it all.

But life and voting is never just about YOU is it?

It's about everyone and what everyone is going through.

Can't believe just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean to say it won't one day come and bite you, literally, on the bum.

A penis is a potential weapon. It's a rape weapon.

If we as women had the ability to degrade and force any man we wish into unwanted sex, not least the most vulnerable, then fine, we'd be even stevens. But we don't and we can't.

Therefore our sex must be protected.

Your analogy is quite frankly ridiculous.

Objecting to men in womens spaces is not akin to racism @MrsSunshine2b but nice try.

Flounced, there’s a word.

Do NOT compare black people to the trans movement. There is just no comparison! Absolutely gobsmacked you would even go there!

This is about the male of the species silencing women, it’s NOT about skin colour!

You can think what you like, but you should be aware of how you look when you attack and dehumanise a group already way more at risk of violence from cis people than vice versa, and try to claim victimhood because you don't have the right to exclude them from going on a bike ride with you. As if you'd even know- unless you have a policy of checking everyone's genitalia before they joined. You will be on the wrong side of history.

Your analogy is frankly racist @MrsSunshine2b.

Men (however they identify) commit around 99% of sex crimes. I do hope you're not suggesting that people of any particular race commit more sex crimes?

There are entirely sensible reasons for dividing spaces by sex, but none at all for dividing space by skin tone.

The point is Starmer trotted out a reference to Blair’s confirmation of what Duffield had already said, with no mention of the fact that Rosie Duffield had been pilloried and investigated by her party for saying precisely the same thing.

Rosie Duffiled said it - told by KS that she was wrong, accused of transphobia, investigated, etc.

Tony Blair said it - endorsed by KS, told he was right

It's the glaring misogyny of KS that is the problem, not the trans agender per se.

Totally agree. JKR has stood up and said what many politicians in Labour would not say as they are so sunk in trans rights to the total exclusion of women and safety.

This and other stuff such as anti semitism, which we all know hasn't gone away as many of those who were passive supporters are sat on the Labour benches.

Worrying as these people will be the gov in two weeks.

It’s actually not that far off. People genuinely used to think that black people were a bigger threat to women and children than white people. And then they decided gay people were the threat, so they were persecuted and prosecuted. And now it’s trans women.

It's not racist to point out that one bigot is very like another bigot.

Just a reminder that women are at 9 times more risk of sexual assault in mixed sex spaces. The sign on the door keeping men out isn't perfect, just like a seatbelt isn't perfect.

But both are sensible safeguarding measures.

Indeed.

Whose natal sex is male

The transwoman would be lying, seeing as they're a man.

So black women have to allow men into their spaces or they are akin to white supremacists?

Your views sound contradictory already. You don’t want men in female sports but don’t want women to speak up.

Women are doing the work for you whilst you work against them.

But times have changed including the availability of very small cameras for catching us all undressed and then the ability to load it all up on the www for everyone to see.

"Transphobia" - the automatic go-to insult applied to those who disagree with some of the aims of trans activists. To be "pure" you have to agree to all their demands, however ridiculous (e.g. agreeing that transwomen in sexual relationships with women or other transwomen are lesbians; real lesbians who say they are only attracted to other biological females are also called "transphobic").

"Ordinary people" - you don’t think MN posters are ordinary people? You have overwhelming proof here that ordinary women DO care about this issue, but you don’t want to believe what’s in front of you.

"Nearly all trans people just want to be left alone…" If that were true, there wouldn't be a problem. But so many don’t want to just be left alone; they want to insist that everyone else validates them.

"…to be who they are." To be who they have decided they are.

"You get predatory trans people no more often than you get predatory cis people." But nearly all predatory people are males, and the data shows that transwomen retain the crime patterns of men, including violent and sexual crime. If any man can declare himself a woman, do you not see a problem there?

You can think what you like, but you should be aware of how you look when you attack and dehumanise a group already way more at risk of violence from cis people than vice versa, and try to claim victimhood because you don't have the right to exclude them from going on a bike ride with you. As if you'd even know- unless you have a policy of checking everyone's genitalia before they joined. You will be on the wrong side of history.

Any stats to back up this risk of violence? We do have the right to, based on stats that show males are the more problematic sex.
You can't say the same about race.

Everyone can tell, no checking of genitals required.

But we KNOW men are a bigger threat to women (and men) than women are.

And it's nothing to do with what they're wearing.