Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

I did once. After appearing out of a loo with my best friend on a night out to be confronted with a 6ft something male asking us whether we had sticky fingers.

But it’s not really about loos most of the time. It’s about rape services, hostels, hospitals, mental health wards, prisons, and most of all about the disregard for women’s opinions.

What do you mean we should be kind. What do you mean we shouldn’t care about someone in changing room when if that was 4ft away on the other side of a wall it would be arrestable indecent exposure. What do you mean we shouldn’t have a word to define us exclusively. What do you mean we can’t set boundaries. What do you mean we have to qualify excluding males from sports with data. No means no. It’s not that hard.

Sounds like any night out in Newcastle, TBH

Because it’s totally irrelevant to my post.

I know you think you're making some sort of point, but it was the middle of the day on a side street in a small city in the midlands.
I don't think it's appropriate in either situation, do you?

Sounds like any night out in Newcastle, TBH
😂
Minus the dangly bits though.

It’s a relevant question and related to women discussing this issue, which you seem to be opposed to

If you don’t want men in female sports or refuges how do you think it will change if women don’t raise the topic?

How does it change?

Yes it's a non issue which the majority of people stuggle to follow, until of course it isn't but by then it will be too late.

And if you look outside mn you’ll see it’s headlining on various outlets and radio

Precisely! The right wing media will use this to manipulate people's perceptions against Labour. JKR has provided the media with a springboard for them to launch their attack. People will fall for it. Why anyone can't see this is beyond me.

Good luck with the next 5 years of Conservative government. Hope you're ready for it. Let's see how life improves for women under the Tories shall we - the past 14 years have been great haven't they🙈

Yes - those who have suffered male violence, including sexual violence, those who are disadvantaged in sport by the admission of trans women, those who are incarcerated, those who have been sacked or discriminated against for holding the opinion that men and women are biologically different, mothers of daughters who may be endangered by "bad actors" who cannot be identified because of claimed trans identity, those who don't care when men say they should pipe down. A very specific type of woman.

Please explain how it’s relevant to my post?

What I'm getting from this thread is that most of the folk who wouldn't vote Labour based on their views about 0.1% of the population, were going to vote something else anyway and JKR and her tweets are a bit of a red herring.

What are ‘inappropriate clothes’?

JKR has provided the media with a springboard for them to launch their attack. People will fall for it.

Or maybe the Left will come to their senses and realise they have been wrong about this and will reassure their female voters .

feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar

YOU ARE NOT BEING UNREASONABLE. And thank you 🙏🏻

No, I'm a Labour voter normally and won't vote Tory. But I can't vote Labour as long as they perpetuate this dangerous nonsense.

Like JKR, I'm checking out the independent candidates.

I already am. Your main complaint was women discussing on mn

Is it just here or everywhere? Should all women stop speaking about this non issue?

If so how will you get the change you’re after? Ie no men in female sports or refuges.

On the day that news broke of Nigel Farage being a Putin apologist, this is the political story you wanted to complain about?? ...

Trans women are trans women.

And are also men. You need to be this to be a trans woman.

Sigh.

Doesn't seem like you've read the thread at all. People are worried about men who are 50 per cent of the population, being allowed unfettered access to women's only spaces.

They're concerned about the erosion of women. They're worried about safeguarding children. Of safeguarding vulnerable women in refuges and prisons. They're concerned about the erosion of women's sports. Of 'inclusivity' meaning the inclusion of men and boys. Of men in changing rooms.

Ah I see the signal has been sent 🙄

What I'm getting from this thread is that most of the folk who wouldn't vote Labour based on their views about 0.1% of the population, were going to vote something else anyway

No, I'm normally a Labour voter. Sadly they don't want my vote any more. Like J K said, we didn't leave Labour, Labour left us.

Yes, you have a point. It was a moment of irritation that is long passed. But in terms of what has most impacted my life day to day over the last 60 odd years, government policy and actions have been huge. I was just wanting to talk about JKR attacking Labour from that perspective.

It's ok everybody @SergeantDawkins knows how to tell the difference. Come on then Dawks share the knowledge, this could save a load of bickering if we all knew.

Good luck with the next 5 years of Conservative government. Hope you're ready for it. Let's see how life improves for women under the Tories shall we - the past 14 years have been great haven't they

So if people choose to vote for a party they are not allowed to question anything about that party or their policies ?

I can't speak for anyone else but I 100% would be voting Labour if it weren't for this issue.