Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

I expect I would say “Er… I am female, thank you very much” and watch the accuser squirm when she realises.

What do you do when it happens? Because presumably it happens quite a bit if you are as androgynous as you think.

So you agree men are the problem not trans women

NO! NOT Transwomen in the WI (though they are already, and no, the members weren't asked)

The WI should be a safe space for women.

We have members from other cultures who are 'allowed' to come because we're supposed to be all women

Those that don't mind can start their own group.

@Clarabell77 it's absolutely no biggie if another woman is temporarily confused and thinks I might be male - I would much rather someone is looking out for all women and girls. It's also immediately obvious that I'm female when I start talking.

Women are really good at telling each other's gender. It's male people who are statistically much more likely to be confused by appearances.

Of course

And transwomen aren't women

Agree. Luckily most level headed people aren’t being single issue voters and realise that leaving the Tory party in power is devastating for the women they claim to be trying to fight for.

99.999% of the time it’s easy to tell if it a man or not though. Regardless of the clothes that they are wearing. Men and women are built differently, have a different bone structure and muscle mass. The hands are always a dead giveaway. Would I want my young daughter being in a public loo on her own with a full grown man and no one else around? No I wouldn’t and I would question the sanity of anyone who would be ok with this.

Yes. Really. Unbelieveble that you lack the imagination to see that this could be true.

Amen to that!

Apparently you can be anything you like.

So you agree men are the problem not trans women

TW are men so...

@SergeantDawkins transwomen ARE men. The prison figures make it obvious that men who identify as trans are even more likely to be a danger to women than other men.

As an androgynous woman, what happens if someone claims you are a man and asks you to leave the toilets/changing rooms/whatever?

I'm sure they'd be able to tell in a nanosecond of talking that they weren't in fact, a man.

If trans activists, MRA's and the Be Kind brigade weren't breaking down this social contract of no males in female spaces, the likelihood of women accosting those who don't look stereotypically female would be low. As women would be confident they were in a female only (the ones with vaginas) space.

I don’t even know where to begin with this nonsense.

Presumably your whole town isn’t a member? So of those who aren’t members, do you know why each of them isn’t a member?

To do what? To lead a CPS that had the balls to take down a celebrated children’s presenter who was abusing children horrifically for decades? No apparently not. I don’t know what sort of culture he was presiding over but I don’t want any part of his leadership.

do note that he apologised for his organisation’s failings there.

You’re denying that trans women are women. They exist as women.

Humans cannot change their biological sex. They can live life following different gender norms and all power to them, but they will remain the biological sex they were born. That does not mean I wish them any harm nor that I hate people who are trans.

Just a reminder that a man who holds a female parkrun course record is currently housed in a women’s prison even though he is there for stabbing a man in the head and neck.

but Rowling should pipe down.

@SergeantDawkins I just looked up the figures for you. From the MoJ figures: the proportion of male-born transwomen in the prison system who are sex offenders is between 60 per cent and 61.3 per cent. That is significantly higher than the roughly 18 per cent of the general population of the male estate who are jailed for sexual offences.

Are sex offenders exploiting trans rights? | The Spectator

With respect, JKR is entitled to her view and to express it. You don't have to agree with her (or anyone else for that matter), or take any notice. I think it's great that different opinions are being aired at the moment to add to the open debate; much better than blindly voting as you always have. There isn't enough critical thinking in the world at the moment.

What is the only requirement you need to be, to be a transwoman. You literally can't be one unless you are this....

A man.

I haven't read what JKR has said however I agree that raising children under a labour government was much better than under the conservatives. Their family friendly policies most definitely made my standard of living better at that time.

However, both need to be important. We need a return to family policies and we need to ensure that women are supported to be safe, especially in vulnerable spaces such as prisons and in hostels for those escaping abuse.

Yeah that’s not what denying someone’s existence means. You just don’t fully understand the term.

@SergeantDawkins

^"How do you feel about your daughter incorrectly being denied access to the ladies toilet because she is wearing boy’s clothes, has short hair, and this person “can just tell” that she’s male.
Because apparently we are only interested in protecting the right kind of women. Sadly."^

I'm not sure whether you've misunderstood me or this is another false equivalence.

My daughters are female. Nothing to do with their 'external presentation'. They have never been denied any such access and to my knowledge, none of my short haired trouser (and aftershave) wearing female friends have either.

Are you proposing that toilets/refuges/prisons/sports be recategorised on a 'hairstyle and clothing' separation basis?!

Then what are you worried about? Why start this thread if you're so sure it's a non issue that nobody cares about?

I will tell you why I feel it’s a non issue overall

I see the same usernames who appear on every single topic that mentions anything remotely related to trans.

it’s a tiny circle of the same women going on and on making it seem like it’s a bigger issue than it is.

whisper “JKR” in a mirror three times and one of them will pop up to tell call you handmaiden. It’s so predictable and boring.