Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

100% agree with you. Transphobia is the recent most acceptable form of bigotry- just as racism, sexism and homophobia were in the past, and it’s honestly pathetic. JKR has shrunk into a hateful fool who openly agrees with right wing mentals, I don’t see how anyone gives her the time of day.

Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar.

You make this point several times and it's a terrible argument. "This issue doesn't affect me, therefore it's not an issue." It's an issue for many women that are not you.

You say JKR should pipe up for other issues like austerity - these are uncontroversial and well discussed issues that everyone cares about - instead she's using her powerful voice for a cause where sensible debate is stifled and people fear speaking out.

Finally why blame the messenger. JKR is not damaging Labour prospects in the election over this issue - Labour have done this themselves.

Finally in spite of ridiculous statements Labour has made about women, I'm probably still going to vote for them to get the conservatives out. My small hope is that at worst Labour are too cowardly and afraid to stand up for women, and now that the tide is beginning to turn this will change once the election is over.

Op, I've been repeatedly raped by men throughout my childhood and young adult life. Thankfully the last 25 years have been much better for me.

But. When I go to a public toilet, and I've got my trousers around my shoes trying to wipe my arse the very last thing I'm wanting to hear is a deep baritone voice in the cubicle next to me. Not the subs of a chemically altered voice of a man impersonating a woman. I've got PTSD, the sound of a man standing to urinate. It sounds distinctly different to a woman urinating. And I don't want to walk out of that toilet and be faced with a 6ft tall man that "feels" like a woman without any comprehension of what it actually IS to be a woman that has been subject to rape and abuse simply because I have the biology and body of a woman

So with respect, YOU should pipe down.

My local pool has always had mixed changing rooms. For years.
Restaurants and cafes have had unisex loos for years too.

You can't. And I don't think anyone truly believes that. Even the reality avoiders on here.

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There's unequivocal evidence that having male people in changing rooms puts women and girls in danger.

I'm an androgynous woman and I'd much rather run the risk of being misgendered by another woman than run the risk of being assaulted by a man.

Single sex spaces aren't perfect any more than seatbelts are perfect. But if you wear a seatbelt and choose them for your children then you should also choose single sex spaces for yourself and your children. Men (however they identify) do not belong in spaces where we are vulnerable.

And 'right wing mentals' isn't bigoted.

Starmer isn’t much better though, like thousands of other former labour voters I can’t vote for someone who excuses a genocide.

We’ve had mixed changing rooms in local authority leisure centres for decades and absolutely no one has batted an eye.

So you do agree that it’s OK to recognise that transwomen are male, so that they can be excluded from providIng intimate care to women who cannot consent to being cared for by someone who is male?

No the logical solution is to do something about men’s violence against women, but we won’t/dont

Opening the doors to all spaces and services for girls and women to any boy or man who feels like a woman or girl is illogical and dangerous.

Denying someone’s existence is hateful. Beating up a trans person because they are trans is a hate crime.

Aha the denying their existence has been brought out, all the tropes are coming in thick and fast. No-one is denying trans people exist, what is being denied is that they have changed to the opposite sex as that is a sheer impossibility and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. It is not hateful to accept the cold, hard reality of sex and that at times and in certain places that is imperative.

Beating people up for whatever reason is hateful.

Men will do pretty much anything to access and abuse vulnerable women. Plus, none of the above is needed to be a TW. You just have to say the magic words.

Have you come across the Sarah surviving case. In Brighton the options for rape therapy groups was a mens group, a trans group and a "women's" group that included men

They are awful - I for one will not use them.

As an androgynous woman, what happens if someone claims you are a man and asks you to leave the toilets/changing rooms/whatever?

Really? I think you’ll find that the women (and possibly men) who minded have just gone elsewhere or stopped using leisure centres. The ones who don’t mind are still there, with un-batted eyes.

@SergeantDawkins our local swimming pool had single sex changing rooms for years. Then they made them mixed sex with gaps under the shared cubicles.

My friend and I were getting changed, heard a strange noise and a bloke had wedged his head under the gap and was masturbating while watching us.

We were so shocked we never went back to that pool. It happens all the time in mixed sex spaces and it changes women's lives for the worse.

trouble is, everything is transphobic these days. Militant trans activists have encouraged massive safeguarding fails and the Cass Review shows massive glaring problems with gender treatments. Obviously the Cass review is also transphobic 🤣🤣

Hard agree that gender will play no part in my voting reasoning.

We have far greater fish to fry at present.

Yes, really!!! And no, they haven’t, the places are mobbed.

You’re denying that trans women are women.

Transwomen are NOT women. They are men. It is literally the one and only, single factor needed to be a transwoman!

Trans men are biologically women. So I am not sure what relevance that statement has here.
How many men who identify as women have actually taken hormones or had surgery? As opposed to the men who dress in "female" clothing, occasionally.
What about the men who identify as lesbians?

😂😂😂 can you be bigoted against bigots?!

So you are a 'right wing mental' if you understand that there are two sexes and that a person cannot change sex? 😂

Ignoring your use of an ignorant, ableist word.

I’ve used a fair few gyms over decades and thankfully none have done this