Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

I have 2 teenage DDs, one with ASD and the other who prefers haircuts, clothes and hobbies that people would traditionally say are 'for boys'. Both play and compete in contact sports that are far popular with boys than girls.

I'm terrified for what their future would look like in a SNP/Canada/east coast US-esque gender identity society.

I've worked bloody hard to bat away the 'born in the wrong body' 'what is [child's] preferred pronouns' questions on account of her appearance and sports. I can see society waiving away their rights to compete against females only, give up their scholarships to the males with feminine souls. I never want them to find themselves in prison or in need of a rape crisis centre or women's refuge, but if they do I sure as shit don't want any men in there, validating themselves and their woman-feelings by colonizing those spaces.

I've voted Labour my whole adult life, and I live in a safe Labour seat. At present I haven't decided who to vote for and may spoil my ballot.

I applaud JKR and I'm truly grateful for her using her voice, platform and wealth as a force for good.

You’re denying that trans women are women. They exist as women.

How can you exist as a woman if you are male?

@SergeantDawkins do you think it should be the case for all situations?

Eg in female prisons, or a refuge or female sports?

They don't and you know they don't. You're just willing to lie because you think you're being kind.

Being awful about someone’s lived experience?? You really can’t see it, can you? You are dismissing the lived experience of every woman who needs a single sex space, because transwomen’s needs are more important. Why are you doing that?

WHAT. DOES. THAT. MEAN!

Starmer had the chance to take down Savile and did not bother or did not trouble himself to investigate.

his performance on QT doesn’t make me think he’s improved his ability to prioritise vulnerable people.

JKR quietly funded Afghanistan evacuations, set up charities and single-sex rape crisis provision when the existing service in her city was (as it still is) run by a man in a dress who demonstrably despises women.

JKR sets out her arguments clearly and eloquently.

starmer uses buzzwords and agrees with Tony Blair when he has the same opinion as his female MP whom he criticised for expressing it.

I will be voting for someone other than Starmer in the hope that he doesn’t get too large a majority. He’s not to be trusted.

I’m just stating the truth. You are born with either two Xs or an X and a Y. That is a biological fact. There’s absolutely nothing you or anyone else can do to change that fact. Women have two Xs men have an X and a Y. Tell me, what is horrible and spiteful about stating a biological fact?

How do you feel about your daughter incorrectly being denied access to the ladies toilet because she is wearing boy’s clothes, has short hair, and this person “can just tell” that she’s male.
Because apparently we are only interested in protecting the right kind of women. Sadly.

Been a Labour voter all my life but I can't support a party that is throwing vulnerable women and girls under a bus.

It would be lovely if we could all pretend that men who identify as women are the same as us. But the sad fact is that men (however they identify) tend to be bigger, stronger and more prone to violence than us. Sexual assaults on women and girls are 9 times more likely in mixed sex changing rooms.

Anything that allows male people more access to women's spaces is directly putting all of us at risk. Just because some people haven't looked at the figures yet doesn't mean that we aren't all vulnerable to the risk.

Keeping single sex spaces for women is basic safeguarding just like wearing a seatbelt.

Don’t believe that Savile crap. It was not his case and no he did not have the power to do that.

What about the 'lived experience' of abused women in a refuge? Of assaulted women in rape groups? Of survivors of male violence in hospitals, prisons, changing rooms and toilets?

Why isn't their lived experience important?

Have you been up in arms all this time about women who are unable to consent being treated by male nurses?

@heathspeedwell

Been a Labour voter all my life but I can't support a party that is throwing vulnerable women and girls under a bus.

Please read up on how much worse off women and girls are now after 14 years of the tories. We are all more vulnerable now because of them.

The transwoman had a penis. So the transwoman was male. Women are not male.

Trans men have gone through major heartache and taken hormones and undergone life changing surgery just to molest women? Yeah righto.

It is. No one is saying it isn’t.

By your logic, what about trans women who have been abused? Why isn’t their lived experience important.

my point is all lived experiences are important and shouldn’t be denied just because you don’t like them.

What is "thinking like a woman"? What is "feeling like a woman"? You're being ridiculous.

Their lived experience is very important, hence the likes of women’s aid etc speaking out and saying they will continue to priority the safety of service users on a case by case basis, as they have always done. They already operate on self identification basis BTW.

It doesn’t need to be them or us. This reminds me of the “all lives matter” brigade.

No they do not. If they did there would be no concept of trangenderism because gender and sex would be the same thing. As it is, gender exists as a concept only because it is distinct from sex.

You know all this, of course.

Nobody denies that trans people exist. We deny that male people are female people. If it were true, you'd be fine with all the men in the male changing room identifying as women for the duration of a trans woman's use of it. They'd all be women, by exactly the same definition, so that should be OK, right?

Any man can say they are trans, no hormones/ surgery required.
Over 90% do not get surgery.

I take it you haven't read the Cass report, OP?

Someone upthread mentioned mixed changing rooms. That’s male and female right? Many unisex toilets in new buildings these days- University of York for a start. This is happening now .

So you’re literally using that one example to try to define an entire group in 3 sentences
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Women -including JKR - are not going to 'weesht'

So think on.