Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

*1) Women to feel like they are in a safe space with other women
versus
2) People who feel they are genuinely born into the wrong body

and coming up with some way to ensure that you can support 1) but also have some allowances for those people who are genuinely in group 2.*

1 does not get to be unfairly disadvantaged by 2 because of a belief system, that absolutely no one has to adhere to, if they don't want to.

Again, again!, how can we tell the genuine from the nefarious. And not 'just because they say so'. Doesn't work for the rest of the human race, hence why single sex spaces and safeguarding measures exist in the first place.

I agree though. What do you think will happen to androgynous women when they are in the ladies loo and mistaken for men? Chased out and accused of being men? Who is protecting the rights of women who don’t look like women? It is impossible to police because we do not all conform to gender norms.

but posters on here INSIST they can tell what gender/sex everyone is on sight . Come on!

JRK only speaks for/to a very specific type of woman

Question: how do you differentiate between those with a life long feeling they are trapped in the wrong body and those for whom larping as a woman is a sexual fetish (probably 99%)?

For both types. Why should we play along with mental illness at the expense of women’s rights?

Are transwomen’s feelings more important than women’s feelings? If so, why is that?

And I don’t deny transwomen’s existence. The one I knew was very, very real, and sexually harrassed my female colleague in a way that left no doubt that the transwoman was infact a male.

And now those males can enter any women's space they like, cheered on by naive women who think this won't affect them.

Are you seriously so arrogant that you think other women couldn’t possibly disagree with you?

I'd argue that a 'pervert with his cock out in the female changing rooms' is exactly that, and nothing to do with him being transgender.

Transgender does not equal pervert.
It can do of course, but it doesn't have to.

That sounds a bit like the bad old days of talking about 'bent' people.

Sounds like you were never going to vote Labour to be fair.

She does talk about all those things so I'm assuming you don't actually follow her on twitter and just read what is reported in the papers which happens to be related to women's rights. She also donates a lot of money to charities that help with those issues.

No

I agree though. What do you think will happen to androgynous women when they are in the ladies loo and mistaken for men? Chased out and accused of being men? Who is protecting the rights of women who don’t look like women? It is impossible to police because we do not all conform to gender norms.

Problem easily solved if men just stopped forcing their way into female only spaces

Then why accuse them of being MRAs?

She donates millions to charities. I'm not sure people know that much about her. A big percentage of her wealth goes to causes.

Its trans ideology that has let that pervert with his cock out in the women's changing room

But but but transwomen look like women, according to you, so androgynous women, by virtue of, er, being women, obviously look like women.

Can’t you see how illogical, regressive and sexist this all is?

poll after poll shows this to be a non-issue for the majority of the UK population

You don't know what you've got til it's gone.

If any man can self ID he can shower with women in prison
If any man can self ID he can win awards created for women
If any man can self ID he take women's places in sports teams
If any man can self self ID single sex spaces will be gone

Don't be so quick to assume this is a non issue.

And the maintenance of single sex spaces also has nothing to do with anyone being transgender. It's to do with them being male.

My husband is no danger to women but he isn't allowed in the ladies' and he understands why and doesn't take it as an insult. I'm not allowed in the men's either.

It’s not about feelings. Being awful about someone’s lived experience isn’t ok.

Oh ok once again using a single example to try to define an entire diverse group of people are we. Calling that person male is still denying their existence. It doesn’t make what they did any less bad. But it makes you look bad too by trying to mis gender someone just because you don’t like them.

I’ve never known such small minded people as those on MN.

How is it ageist to say that you'll probably remember Y events if you're over X age?
I'm mid-40s and can remember transvestites walking down the high street, I surely can't be alone in that.
Is no one curious about where they've gone?
And yes, all the transvestites I saw were wearing inappropriate clothes, I see nothing wrong with saying this, and I don't care if you do.

Denying someone’s existence is hateful.

Nobody is denying that trans people exist ?

than the issue of 0.1% (it's literally this) of the population who identify as trans woman.

They can identify as transwomen all they like all day long, but they are not women and therefore should have the decency to stay out of any space or service for women.

Furthermore this 0.1% and their supporters have a lovely line in threats and abuse against women and girls who dare to disagree with them.

She has funded the only single sex rape crisis centre in Scotland

"Trans women" are males, though. And as the stats tell us, have exactly the same crime rates and patterns as other males. Which is a major issue, especially if you're going to remove the rights from ALL women to boundaries to benefit any man who says he's female. The woman who was raped in a hospital but told she couldn't have been because there were no "men" here was raped by a trans woman. "Trans woman" Isla Bryson was in prison - put in a female prison - for rape.

It's not about "trans" but other women, men, and having the rights of all the women in the country eroded by a powerful male-led lobby group which is tiny but wields an enormous amount of power and has attempted to change equality law to the detriment of women and gay people under the radar.

Women in prison with violent men.
Women being assaulted in hospital and the NHS denying they could have been raped because, no men!
Women not being able to access safe care at refuges or rape crisis centres.
Women missing out on sporting opportunities because men have taken their spaces.
Women afraid to ask for same-sex care because if they do their care will be affected.

And things will be worse for these women under Labour and better under the Tories how?

You’re denying that trans women are women. They exist as women.