Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

If only all the posters bleating on about how awful JKR is, and deciding what issues are important on behalf of us, put as much effort into tackling male violence against women and girls.

The reason Mumsnet is a hotbed of transphobia generally gender critical is because it is a corner of the internet run by and for and about women, which most men are not interested in frequenting and the odd male poster is tolerated as long as he behaves himself, where most users are mothers or trying to become mothers and therefore acutely aware of their own biological sex, and conversation between those users has been allowed to flourish mostly free from the interference of men trying to tell us how to think.

Nope none of that. What a reach. Don’t pull a muscle.

I can see your point but I also think about those less fortunate than me.

Women in prison with violent men.
Women being assaulted in hospital and the NHS denying they could have been raped because, no men!
Women not being able to access safe care at refuges or rape crisis centres.
Women missing out on sporting opportunities because men have taken their spaces.
Women afraid to ask for same-sex care because if they do their care will be affected.

These are the women I vote for.

To listen to women on here, you'd think Duffield was some kind of saint.

It’s not whether she is or isn’t a saint, it’s that Starmer’s treatment of her is the canary in the coal mine as to how the current Labour administration sees the issues surrounding women’s rights.

Oh I didn’t realise you had xray vision.

You’ve never seen an androgynous person in real life, really???

How does someone think and feel like a woman? Do all women think and feel in the same way?

The whole bloody country’s falling apart because the Tories have bled it dry and people are casting their vote based on this? Talk about fiddling while Rome burns

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No the logical solution is to do something about men’s violence against women, but we won’t/dont 😢

I hate to point out the obvious, but you clearly don't find it boring if you're here engaging with it.

And that must mean that you don't find the protection of safe, single sex spaces for vulnerable, abused and religious women, not to mention equal opportunities for sportswomen, at all boring. But you want us to fall asleep at the idea and think it's overdone...

Today my son (20s) has discussed with me:

1. Archie Gemmell's 1978 goal against Holland
2. JKR on the front page of the Times (positive)
3. Farage and Putin (negative)
4. His girlfriend
5. His girlfriend's nan
6. Food
7. The charity place up the road

It's like we can care and talk about multiple things on the same day. Spooky.

Is Alex Drummond a man or a woman? Alex has a beard, and has not had hormones or surgery.

Yes, exactly so!

Given it's what you said, it's hardly a "reach". Very tiresome approach. Get over yourself and grow up.

Denying someone’s existence is hateful. Beating up a trans person because they are trans is a hate crime.
People can hold whatever opinion or “fact” they like without being quite so horrible about it.

That's not the way most people see it though. Most people see it as a challenging situation where you have two sets of conflicting rights :

1. Women to feel like they are in a safe space with other women versus
2. People who feel they are genuinely born into the wrong body

and coming up with some way to ensure that you can support 1) but also have some allowances for those people who are genuinely in group 2.

But as the people in group 2 measure in the hundreds of thousands, and the way in which the Tories have destroyed the economy, all public services and really damaged the social and moral fabric of this country through their corruption and law breaking (Alicia Kearns MP you are an exception) effects the 65 odd million people who live in the UK, all these other issues trump the trans issue. MN however has attracted those for whom it has become a fixation.
Of course people are entitled to vote for whomever they like for whatever reason (my 12 yr old wanted me to vote Count Binface for mayor of London because of his outfit- I didn't) but poll after poll shows this to be a non-issue for the majority of the UK population. Many people struggle to follow it to be honest.

Wishing that JKR would pipe down?

Is that irony?

Or a play on 'women won't wheesht' the organisation campaigning against the erosion of women's sex based rights/ title of a new book?

Spite? For wanting women to be able to say no to intimate care from a male?

Thank you. Exactly this.

People can hold whatever opinion or “fact” they like without being quite so horrible about it.

Are you saying that stating that trans women are male is horrible? Or is it other statements that you are describing?

It's not all about YOU thank goodness!

So just because YOU don't care that some pervert in a dress has his cock out in the female changing rooms/ bathrooms of whatever establishment, there are plenty of us that DO care. So maybe YOU should "pipe down" 🙄

My young adult autistic son wants to take cross sex hormones and is considering having surgery in the future because he's believed the online rhetoric that this will solve all his problems. My heart breaks for him and others the same and I'm really angry at the complete lack of safeguarding of vulnerable young people. If the tories will put the brakes on this absolute madness then I'll vote for them to protect my child.

Same here, the Labour victory in 1997 made a huge positive difference in my life as a single parent. As for the trans thing, it is hardly on my radar, I know a few trans people socially and have never ever felt threatened by them. I have however survived sexual abuse as a child and two sexual assaults as an adult. All these offences were committed by males.

I'm also wondering how I can trust any politician who seems unclear about facts, can't support his MPs when they're being threatened, flip flops between people and lobby groups he's trying to please of actually being capable of solving issues like the NHS, the cost of living crisis etc. Uselessness on one issue does tend to translate to uselessness on other. But sure, politicians always do what they say they'll do and as long as they spout the right words, it doesn't matter if they actually DO anything, right?