Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

Yep never ever met a single trans gender person let alone in a toilet.

I’ve met plenty without a dentist, unable to see their GP,with a child unable to get MH treatment, with a child unable to access SEN provision….

Absolutely. The whole bloody country’s falling apart because the Tories have bled it dry and people are casting their vote based on this? Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

The problem in a nutshell is homosexual protections in law are defined by sex.

If you can't define sex or you replace sex with gender you get a situation where you can't have a definition of homosexual in law which is protectable.

It doesn't matter how kind or how inclusive you want to be if there is no legal terms that you can use to defend homosexuals.

Otherwise you have males claiming to be lesbians who say they are being discriminated against and actual lesbians unable to defend themselves from abuse or legal action. And end up on the recieving end of laws that were supposed to defend them.

This isnt progressive.

Laws need to not only be just and fair but also workable for the intented purpose and not just an idea or concept that people like the sound of.

What a fucking patronising comment. Further more, why do you say transvestites wore "inappropriate women's clothes in public"? For reference I'm GC but your comment reeks of ageism, prejudice and up your own arse superiority.

The thread is moving quickly and it’s not just here. Many others picking up the headline and loads commenting in agreement with JKR

Thank you. This is the point I was trying to make.

Voting Labour anyway … with pause… but I will. THANK YOU JKR for continuing to hold them to account on this.

Heartless?

Like when female rape survivors are told they can't have the single sex support they need and deserve because the very existence of it is invalidating to men who believe they identify as women?

Like when vulnerable female prisoners are literally locked up with male rapists who have said the magic words "I identify as a woman"?

Like when young female athletes who have dedicated years of their lives to training only to be beaten in their own categories by mediocre male athletes who say they identify as women and believe that women's sports are nothing more than an opportunity for their gender identities to be validated?

Yeah, I can't believe people can be so heartless towards women.

But a violent man in a dress in the toilets is not a trans woman

How transphobic! If he says he is a woman then he is ok? 🙄

How the fuck does a woman think and feel?

And men don’t “look like women”. What does that even mean? OK, facially some might appear feminine, but their bodies are not female, and this certainly doesn’t make them women.

They are transwomen, and that is fine, as long as they stay out of female-only spaces. Do you really think it’s OK for a vulnerable disabled woman, or a rape survivor, to be given intimate care by someone with a penis when she has specified she needs female-only care?

I am very sorry that you lost her so young, & I was thoughtless to assume she was still living. I can only speak for my own mother, who would be mortified by sharing facilities or having her personal care needs met by a male, however he identifies.

Alternatively it suggests a pattern of not caring about threats to women MPs. Just as he objected to RD pointing out that only women have a cervix yet welcomed Blair's advice to him that women have a vagina and men have a penis. Just as he calls women speaking out toxic and pretends that there's violence and abuse on both sides of this debate - despite all the evidence to the contrary.

It seems to be a feature of his attitudes to woman rather than a bug .

They’re really not.

My 11yo god daughter ended up trapped in the corner of a swimming pool changing room too scared to change and leave, because there was a man with his cock out between her and the exit.

The gym claimed he'd done nothing wrong because he was non binary.

I'm voting labour because this is one of many issues, by that doesn't mean I'm going to shut up about it. Labour need to have a sensible opinion on this issue, and not hide from it. JKR is forcing them to address it, that makes her bloody marvellous.

Maybe you’re skipping stuff

Can you link what you’re referring to

Oh yes they are.

Women take their rights for granted.
If any man on his say so is a woman, woman has no meaning, women’s rights cease to exist.

I won’t pipe down about women’s rights and thank goodness JKR won’t either.

I thought my mother would care. I was horrified when she was showered by a male care worker but I was the only one who cared. She didn’t give a shit. 🤷‍♀️

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-transgender-woman-has-a-full-beard-and-she-couldnt-be-h

Non binary does not even have legal status.

The rights of 51% of the population being trampled on and transferred to men is the issue. And you are surprised that Mumsnet members are interested in this issue?

Even if people believe that, and I’m not saying I do or do not, there is no need to be so very horrible about it. The spite on here is shocking.

Absolutely. The whole bloody country’s falling apart because the Tories have bled it dry and people are casting their vote based on this? Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

I am going to have to vote Lib dems to get the Conservatives out where I live. There are lots of issues that I think Labour will deal with better than the Conservatives, but that I will also have to vote tactically.
That doesn't mean I don't agree with JKR, I am hugely grateful, that from her position of power, she is able to keep speaking up about this subject without fear of being cancelled, like so many before her.

Because of MEN!

(And Safe spaces are different from single sex spaces)

I think you’ll find quite rightly Farage’s comments about Putin, Gaza and Ukraine are what those in the real world are discussing as regards the news today.