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Who should be denied cheap flight set up?

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Wayda · 20/06/2024 12:54

My younger brother is a pilot. For 5+ years I have been lucky enough to get access to very discounted cheap flights. Appreciate that. Has helped my child and I experience many things we simply would not be able to otherwise (single mum). My brother recently mentioned that I along with our other brother need to figure out who will keep the cheap flights. Pilot brother has 5 spots which he can divvy out. He has recently become serious with a girlfriend who he wants to give the discount to.

My brother (not the pilot) is on a far higher salary than me and does not have kids. Yes, he travels more than me but that is due to him having the time to do so. This brother also loaned my younger brother some money to live off whilst training so I think feels entitled to the discounts. He probably earns £80k. Anyway, when we met at the weekend he told me “you had a good run”! The cheek! Assuming I should give up my spot.

Parents witnessed this and did not say anything about their spots. If I were them I would try and help out a single mother. I know it may seem entitled but I’m more hurt by the lack of consideration.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Thehop · 20/06/2024 19:23

Surely the only fair answer is you give your child's spot to your brother and you get the discount but you pay full fare for your child?

Satanzlilhelpa · 20/06/2024 19:26

She won't be allowed to travel with a minor on a staff ticket without discount.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 19:29

Looks like OP has gone - perhaps the views of the vast majority didn't suit?

Invent · 20/06/2024 19:35

Scruffily · 20/06/2024 18:15

Why do your brothers have to pay for your holidays just because you chose to have a child?

Why should employers pay women who chose to have babies then? Brother will never be in a similar position. Even if he someone gets accidentally pregnant he'll have the choice to wash his hands of the situation. Having a baby as a woman can be less of a choice than for men.

But I agree that everyone should get one slot now. I think the brother is entitled to ask/expect a slot without consulting the Op as everyone knows each other's positions and the Op has had two slots for the last few years.

StormingNorman · 20/06/2024 19:45

Give your DC discount to the girlfriend. You and your brother have one each.

PandaRice · 20/06/2024 19:45

Invent · 20/06/2024 19:35

Why should employers pay women who chose to have babies then? Brother will never be in a similar position. Even if he someone gets accidentally pregnant he'll have the choice to wash his hands of the situation. Having a baby as a woman can be less of a choice than for men.

But I agree that everyone should get one slot now. I think the brother is entitled to ask/expect a slot without consulting the Op as everyone knows each other's positions and the Op has had two slots for the last few years.

Women can and do wash their hands of any kids they have too. It’s not just men.

justasmalltownmum · 20/06/2024 21:34

You should get 1, your brother should get 1. And you should pay for your child.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:41

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 18:11

You do realise she still had to pay for accommodation, activities, and food while they're away right? If she normally goes away 4 times a year (for example) she would have to save up for 4 lots of accommodation, activities, and food. Now, say she saves up the same amount of money, but only goes away 2 times a year, she will have money to pay for flights. And/or if she goes to places where accommodation, activities and food are cheaper, she'll have more money to put towards flights.

I don't know why this concept is so difficult for you to understand. It is generally how people plan their holidays. You find a holiday that fits your budget or you save up until you have enough for the holiday you want.

I'm not sure what is hard for you to understand that if she goes away once a year and can only just afford that somewhere cheap, then once the discount is gone then she will not be able to afford that one holiday. OP has clearly said without the discount for both her and her DC she won't be able to travel atall

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:49

JurassicClark · 20/06/2024 18:22

Yes, you’re a paragon, we all get that. You’d give away a perk you don’t have to someone else and judge anyone who would like to use it themselves.

The brother who helped him become a pilot in the first place gets chosen over the Lone Parent.

The fact OP needs two tickets out of the five for it to work means she should give in gracefully, as does the fact the brother gets more use from the tickets.

Sorry, OP, you got five years of cheap holidays but your time is up now.

A paragon 😂 It's hilarious how angry people are getting because someone has a different opinion to them. I find it selfish, yes I do. Sorry if that upsets you. But yes, people will judge that kind of behaviour.

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 21:51

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:41

I'm not sure what is hard for you to understand that if she goes away once a year and can only just afford that somewhere cheap, then once the discount is gone then she will not be able to afford that one holiday. OP has clearly said without the discount for both her and her DC she won't be able to travel atall

Come on. You really think she only goes away once a year? If so then those two spots are wasted on her. She can just borrow someone else spot for her one holiday of the year then. Can't be doing much "reconnecting" with her child.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:52

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 19:29

Looks like OP has gone - perhaps the views of the vast majority didn't suit?

Or maybe she's fed up of people repeating she should get one spot despite her not being able to use that spot! Cancel the cheque! 😂

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:53

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 21:51

Come on. You really think she only goes away once a year? If so then those two spots are wasted on her. She can just borrow someone else spot for her one holiday of the year then. Can't be doing much "reconnecting" with her child.

Are you serious? How often do you think most people go on holiday? You do realise many can't even afford 1 a year!

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 22:17

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 21:53

Are you serious? How often do you think most people go on holiday? You do realise many can't even afford 1 a year!

People who pay very little for flights? More than people who have to pay for flights.

notimagain · 20/06/2024 22:31

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 21:51

Come on. You really think she only goes away once a year? If so then those two spots are wasted on her. She can just borrow someone else spot for her one holiday of the year then. Can't be doing much "reconnecting" with her child.

The problem with this idea of just “borrowing slots” is that airlines often restrict how often you can change your list of nominees, basically to stop exactly what people are suggesting - flip flopping around a large group of nominees every five minutes.

If the airline does have such a restriction the OP would have to phase her and her dependents holidays to fit in with everybody else’s plans, so for example if the rest of the extended family take discounted flights in summer that screws up summer holidays for the OP and their dependents, they’ll have to wait until nominees can be switched…maybe in time for winter holidays.

TBH the pilot brother’s staff travel travel package sounds very generous and liberal, I suspect the brown stuff would really hit the fan when/if that brothers move on to one of the many airlines that are much more restrictive.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 22:45

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 22:17

People who pay very little for flights? More than people who have to pay for flights.

Yes, I expect so. But considering many can't afford any holidays at all, not sure why you found it so hard to understand someone not being able to afford more than 1 holiday albeit with cheap flights.

Ohpleeeease · 20/06/2024 22:50

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:39

Can you really not see? You can't imagine one sibling saying 'You know what, I'll still get to have multiple trips a year without the discount but I know my sister and her child won't be able to afford their one trip a year without it, so take me off.'

Who says she can’t afford one trip a year? Maybe not with the pilot brother’s airline which won’t be a budget one, but there are plenty of other more affordable options.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 23:02

Ohpleeeease · 20/06/2024 22:50

Who says she can’t afford one trip a year? Maybe not with the pilot brother’s airline which won’t be a budget one, but there are plenty of other more affordable options.

I have no idea about what the discount would be, tbh! Was just basing my answer on the information given by the OP.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 23:09

Ohpleeeease · 20/06/2024 22:50

Who says she can’t afford one trip a year? Maybe not with the pilot brother’s airline which won’t be a budget one, but there are plenty of other more affordable options.

I mean her brother could also use a cheaper airline and have even more trips (if time allowed!)

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 23:19

notimagain · 20/06/2024 22:31

The problem with this idea of just “borrowing slots” is that airlines often restrict how often you can change your list of nominees, basically to stop exactly what people are suggesting - flip flopping around a large group of nominees every five minutes.

If the airline does have such a restriction the OP would have to phase her and her dependents holidays to fit in with everybody else’s plans, so for example if the rest of the extended family take discounted flights in summer that screws up summer holidays for the OP and their dependents, they’ll have to wait until nominees can be switched…maybe in time for winter holidays.

TBH the pilot brother’s staff travel travel package sounds very generous and liberal, I suspect the brown stuff would really hit the fan when/if that brothers move on to one of the many airlines that are much more restrictive.

People who know about this explained it. It doesn't sound that difficult. Especially if it's one that can be changed every 4 months. For example, if her parents holiday at the start of the summer, OP can holiday after that. Or vice versa.

grandmabrown · 21/06/2024 00:05

So your brother made good life choices and you have a failed marriage and a child to support and thinks its fair you get a hand out then? No. You made your choices. He made his. I would say as he loaned pilot brother money to fund the job he's the most deserving. What have you done for pilot brother?

CJsGoldfish · 21/06/2024 00:29

Your absolute conviction that, because of your own life choices, you deserve not one but TWO of the passes blows my mind. So selfish.

If you have the available time to holiday, you have the time to 'reconnect' no matter where you are. If the ability to reconnect is based on being in the 'right' location that's a 'you' issue and nothing to do with your brother who wants, and should have, one of your tickets 🤷‍♀️

Invent · 21/06/2024 01:13

PandaRice · 20/06/2024 19:45

Women can and do wash their hands of any kids they have too. It’s not just men.

Not in the same way. It's entirely possible to be a father without knowing you are. There's no physical impact for males. It's therefore entirely possible to know you are and disassociate yourself.

It's an entitlement different thing to being a mother and growing child for 9 months, go through childbirth and say no thanks.

The brother could be a dad and not even know.

I don't think the kids should get the spots either way though.

User79853257976 · 21/06/2024 01:46

Could your parents have one spot and pay full price for the other?

Selttan · 21/06/2024 05:34

I think it's fair your brother gets one and you get one.

Youve been very lucky to get two spots so far.

Riversideandrelax · 21/06/2024 08:49

grandmabrown · 21/06/2024 00:05

So your brother made good life choices and you have a failed marriage and a child to support and thinks its fair you get a hand out then? No. You made your choices. He made his. I would say as he loaned pilot brother money to fund the job he's the most deserving. What have you done for pilot brother?

I don't think she specified she had a failed marriage did she? There's many reasons someone can be a single parent through no fault of their own.