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To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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Viviennemary · 20/06/2024 07:28

It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

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Dahliasinallotment · 20/06/2024 11:39

Yes, but in Wales we have massively underfunded and mismanaged education and our NHS is dire.

Wales PISA scores are BAD and the new curriculum has less science at GCSE. This is sold as being more fair, but really to manage the terrible shortage of science teachers. Especially Welsh speaking science teachers. The curriculum has no evidence based guidance for teaching reading - every school and teacher decides for themselves, which could be great or terrible.

We do have 20mph speed limit. I don’t object to that, but can’t see it was the best use of resources. Our first minister took money from polluters, so I don’t believe they have the moral high ground.

I will vote Labour, but without optimism.

BeachParty · 20/06/2024 11:41

Gawd, I hope so.
Fingers crossed, get them out.
Would be so nice to wake up to a Labour Gov in July,
Everywhere would just feel a bit "calmer" somehow.

OneTC · 20/06/2024 11:49

I'm looking forward to it in a morbid kind of way but also I'm fully disillusioned with what any of the main parties, or a fptp system, can actually deliver.

So yes it'll be funny if this lot get routed, because they're horrible people that are an embarrassment to the very idea of their role but ultimately it's just gonna be a slightly different flavour of shit we get left eating afterwards

Gakpo · 20/06/2024 11:54

If the Tories are banking on “closet Tories”, it’s gonna need to be a big closet.

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 20/06/2024 11:57

Dahliasinallotment · 20/06/2024 11:39

Yes, but in Wales we have massively underfunded and mismanaged education and our NHS is dire.

Wales PISA scores are BAD and the new curriculum has less science at GCSE. This is sold as being more fair, but really to manage the terrible shortage of science teachers. Especially Welsh speaking science teachers. The curriculum has no evidence based guidance for teaching reading - every school and teacher decides for themselves, which could be great or terrible.

We do have 20mph speed limit. I don’t object to that, but can’t see it was the best use of resources. Our first minister took money from polluters, so I don’t believe they have the moral high ground.

I will vote Labour, but without optimism.

I’m not a Labour voter when I say this, but how much is down to the devolved government and how much is central? I know they both blame each other.

Bollindger · 20/06/2024 12:00

I love it.
Be careful what you wish for...
I know lots of Torys who know we will lose, but we think like this.
Politics has gone bad, there is no opposition. So by losing the lot of you who think it is a picnic to be in power are going to get a lovely wake up call and it is going to cost you in your pocket, the major joke is you have to blame the Labour party.
For the first time they won't hide.
As they will be the ones raising taxes.

SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 12:02

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2024 10:39

Why would a majority of 80 mean more ‘checks’ than one of 200? Both let you vote through whatever you like.

This ‘supermajority’ thing is nonsense.

Exactly.

I'm an advocate of electoral reform, so am not a supporter of perhaps 45-50% of votes cast getting as much as three quarters of the seats. But 44% getting 60% of the seats in 2019 was no different practically, and the people who are now harping on about supermajorities were pretty fucking quiet then.

PandoraSox · 20/06/2024 12:05

Bollindger · 20/06/2024 12:00

I love it.
Be careful what you wish for...
I know lots of Torys who know we will lose, but we think like this.
Politics has gone bad, there is no opposition. So by losing the lot of you who think it is a picnic to be in power are going to get a lovely wake up call and it is going to cost you in your pocket, the major joke is you have to blame the Labour party.
For the first time they won't hide.
As they will be the ones raising taxes.

We have to pay to rebuild our shattered public services. Everyone knows that. Labour has to find the money somehow.

I don't think anyone voting Labour is under any illusions about the fact that we will all have to contribute in some way.

renoleno · 20/06/2024 12:15

Aladdinzane · 20/06/2024 09:22

"For a conservative Govt this country still has a far more cohesive and integrated approach to immigration and vulnerable groups than most."

Utter rot. This conservative government and the ones that preceded it have been by far the most divisive that I've ever known. Skivers vs Strivers, Windrush, the changes to disability benefits, benefits caps etc etc.

Anyone who posts this comment has little to no idea about anything.

Oh please do mind yourself. I came into this country on a work visa that I then converted into permanent residency and eventually citizenship. I'm half Indian - half Bangla and a woman who moved to the UK entirely on my own knowing no one here. Built a whole life. So I do love people explaining immigration and integration to me. Do you really think a few minor scandals erodes the reality that this country is the most welcoming and well integrated for immigrants by a mile! There's immigration scandals everywhere - it's just life, no one gets it right all the time. Only the urban intelligentsia who desperately need a cause and see immigrants as one they can leverage - would quote the facts you've shared with me as indicative of poor immigration policies and a lack of cohesion. There's far more separation between the classes in this country than between immigrants and everyone else - and that isn't Tory led but just a fundamental flaw in this society which is also very unique to the UK. Labour will just increase the divide.

I can work wherever I want, live in areas anywhere in the UK except maybe very rural ones and see other people of colour, who aren't just serving me as in most other countries, but actually neighbours, down in the pubs and out in the parks. I don't have to live in separate suburbs or only amongst my own. No child of colour or from other parts of Europe will be i marginalised in most schools here - except one again more rural communities where even an urban white child would be an outsider. I can bring in skilled people I want on work visas far easier than my counterparts in Germany or the US.

And yes, some immigrant groups have struggled, just like some working class white groups have struggled. That isn't just on the Govt but the communities themselves - not everything is political. One group of immigrants isn't treated any differently to the others by any Govt.

As for vulnerable groups - sure, more can and should be done. But I don't see labour doing much different because there just isn't enough money! I don't see benefit caps as a bad thing personally but have a different view of vulnerable. Not everyone on benefits is truly vulnerable and the fact so many immigrants can come over and build lives for themselves show it isn't a lack of jobs or opportunities or money. Our education system is obsessed with uni being the be all and end all which is archaic and immediately diminishes those who haven't been, there is far too great a dependence on the state providing, which isn't practical for the size of country, population and no gift of natural reserves like a lot of other welfare states have. But Labour won't be solving any of it because left wing policies never lead to growth in this country.

CeasarS · 20/06/2024 12:16

I am worried that things will have to get worse before they get better and 5 years won't be long enough.

I think the Tories know this, which is why they're not even trying. Most don't even want to be part of the opposition under these circumstances, hence the exodus. We'll all the "names" back in 5years time, when the work is well underway but results haven't been seen sufficiently for Labour to win again. Then the Tories will take all the glory for the work Labour put in place.

Bollindger · 20/06/2024 12:19

But your forgetting this.
Labour is getting in from floating voters.
People who love to place blame.
Stammer is not liked, is like a wet blanket, and will suddenly be the target of these people.
The Newspapers love to blame, they will stir up these floaters.

I am hoping all the Current Govenment all lose their seats. Let's have a new crop we can respect.
Also Nigel Fararge is great, I hope he gets a seat. That bloke will be a red hot poker in the Commons...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:20

Another one who'll believe what happens when it happens, though admittedly it'll take a miracle for the Tories to do even reasonably well now

FWIW I want them out too, but do worry about massive majorities no matter which party's concerned; I much prefer a workable but modest one so the idea that a party can do what they like is avoided

My main worry however is what'll happen when Momentum and the Corbynistas come stamping into view again. Though kept out of view for appearance's sake for now, they haven't gone away and we'll be hearing their demands again all too soon

SlothOnARope · 20/06/2024 12:26

There's far more separation between the classes in this country than between immigrants and everyone else - and that isn't Tory led but just a fundamental flaw in this society which is also very unique to the UK. Labour will just increase the divide.

Completely agree with this part. Sad but very true.

SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 12:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:20

Another one who'll believe what happens when it happens, though admittedly it'll take a miracle for the Tories to do even reasonably well now

FWIW I want them out too, but do worry about massive majorities no matter which party's concerned; I much prefer a workable but modest one so the idea that a party can do what they like is avoided

My main worry however is what'll happen when Momentum and the Corbynistas come stamping into view again. Though kept out of view for appearance's sake for now, they haven't gone away and we'll be hearing their demands again all too soon

Momentum etc are likely to find it harder to have influence when there's a Labour government that doesn't need the left of party votes to get things through Parliament. Think how relatively unimportant the likes of Abbott and Corbyn were in the first Blair government.

VillageLifeIsTricky · 20/06/2024 12:28

AmusedMaker · 20/06/2024 07:32

It happens every time a party has been in power for years, people get fed up & bored with them.
people will be happy to see the back of Labour after a couple of terms.

This. I clearly remember everyone saying the same about the impending Labour government wipeout and how they were looking forward to the Tories sweeping in on their white horses to fix everything!!

Nobody seems capable of managing the country effectively. The problem being corruption at the top, budget mismanagement, plus it's impossible to please everyone if they tried.
We're in end-stage capitalism and the job is fucked.. I feel sorry for whoever inherits this mess and let me tell you, it won't be fixed for decades, if at all..

Thelnebriati · 20/06/2024 12:30

I'll be glad to see the back of the Tories but I am dreading the next government. People have such high hopes, but I don't see any evidence things will actually improve.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:30

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2024 11:25

But the whips make sure your MPs vote with the party. Simple politics.

Tell that to Corbyn - you know, the one who overwhelmingly lost the vote of confidence among the parliamentray party and yet was still backed by the membership

I'm no admirer of Starmer either, but the above is why I wonder just how secure his position will be if they're elected, and if we'll end up with a very different government to the one folk expected

Lottelenya · 20/06/2024 12:31

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:20

Another one who'll believe what happens when it happens, though admittedly it'll take a miracle for the Tories to do even reasonably well now

FWIW I want them out too, but do worry about massive majorities no matter which party's concerned; I much prefer a workable but modest one so the idea that a party can do what they like is avoided

My main worry however is what'll happen when Momentum and the Corbynistas come stamping into view again. Though kept out of view for appearance's sake for now, they haven't gone away and we'll be hearing their demands again all too soon

ERG v Momentum 🤷🏻‍♂️too cheeks of the same arse although Momentum hasn’t really done any economic damage.
I keep hearing this suggestion that Starmer will be overthrown by communists/extreme lefties and Ange will take over. What will Momentum even do ? I’m not far left but many voters were quite happy with some of Corbyn’s manifesto promises when they weren’t told they were Labour ones.

CeasarS · 20/06/2024 12:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:30

Tell that to Corbyn - you know, the one who overwhelmingly lost the vote of confidence among the parliamentray party and yet was still backed by the membership

I'm no admirer of Starmer either, but the above is why I wonder just how secure his position will be if they're elected, and if we'll end up with a very different government to the one folk expected

A bit like when "the party" put Truss in?

Bushmillsbabe · 20/06/2024 12:32

rosie1959 · 20/06/2024 07:43

What I find more disconcerting in my view is that Labour are not going to win this election because they are so wonderfully inspiring and are coming up with incredible policies but because the Conservatives have been ineffective.

Absolutely! The labour candidate in my area is a nasty piece of work from my dealings with her both personally and professionally. If she wins, it won't be because she is decent, but because people want the Conservatives out. Lesser of 2 evils, not a great place to be

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2024 12:33

Those who say it can't get any worse...

... lack not only imagination...

...but an awareness of the rest of the world.

The problem is that so many of our current issues run so deep - COVID highlighted some of them and is also a cause of some of them - that yes I agree the expectations to fix them are unrealistic.

SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 12:33

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:30

Tell that to Corbyn - you know, the one who overwhelmingly lost the vote of confidence among the parliamentray party and yet was still backed by the membership

I'm no admirer of Starmer either, but the above is why I wonder just how secure his position will be if they're elected, and if we'll end up with a very different government to the one folk expected

You think the MPs are going to try and remove Starmer when he's just presided over a landslide?

LakieLady · 20/06/2024 12:35

CassandraWebb · 20/06/2024 07:49

My expected enjoyment has been rather eclipsed by the momentum the Reform are getting - deeply concerning.

I feel the same. I find it alarming that there are so many xenophobes in this country.

Thankfully, they're spread out enough that I can't see them winning more than 3 or 4 seats, but it's still a concern.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2024 12:38

SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 12:27

Momentum etc are likely to find it harder to have influence when there's a Labour government that doesn't need the left of party votes to get things through Parliament. Think how relatively unimportant the likes of Abbott and Corbyn were in the first Blair government.

Yes that's realistic, SocoBateVira; we can only hope, though it would require a huge majority which as said I'm not keen on either

Nobody seems capable of managing the country effectively. The problem being corruption at the top, budget mismanagement, plus it's impossible to please everyone if they tried

Actually there are many who could probably do a fine job, @VillageLifeIsTricky - they could hardly do worse - but for all the reasons you said they understandably won't go anywhere near politics

Aladdinzane · 20/06/2024 12:41

renoleno · 20/06/2024 12:15

Oh please do mind yourself. I came into this country on a work visa that I then converted into permanent residency and eventually citizenship. I'm half Indian - half Bangla and a woman who moved to the UK entirely on my own knowing no one here. Built a whole life. So I do love people explaining immigration and integration to me. Do you really think a few minor scandals erodes the reality that this country is the most welcoming and well integrated for immigrants by a mile! There's immigration scandals everywhere - it's just life, no one gets it right all the time. Only the urban intelligentsia who desperately need a cause and see immigrants as one they can leverage - would quote the facts you've shared with me as indicative of poor immigration policies and a lack of cohesion. There's far more separation between the classes in this country than between immigrants and everyone else - and that isn't Tory led but just a fundamental flaw in this society which is also very unique to the UK. Labour will just increase the divide.

I can work wherever I want, live in areas anywhere in the UK except maybe very rural ones and see other people of colour, who aren't just serving me as in most other countries, but actually neighbours, down in the pubs and out in the parks. I don't have to live in separate suburbs or only amongst my own. No child of colour or from other parts of Europe will be i marginalised in most schools here - except one again more rural communities where even an urban white child would be an outsider. I can bring in skilled people I want on work visas far easier than my counterparts in Germany or the US.

And yes, some immigrant groups have struggled, just like some working class white groups have struggled. That isn't just on the Govt but the communities themselves - not everything is political. One group of immigrants isn't treated any differently to the others by any Govt.

As for vulnerable groups - sure, more can and should be done. But I don't see labour doing much different because there just isn't enough money! I don't see benefit caps as a bad thing personally but have a different view of vulnerable. Not everyone on benefits is truly vulnerable and the fact so many immigrants can come over and build lives for themselves show it isn't a lack of jobs or opportunities or money. Our education system is obsessed with uni being the be all and end all which is archaic and immediately diminishes those who haven't been, there is far too great a dependence on the state providing, which isn't practical for the size of country, population and no gift of natural reserves like a lot of other welfare states have. But Labour won't be solving any of it because left wing policies never lead to growth in this country.

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" Do you really think a few minor scandals erodes the reality that this country is the most welcoming and well integrated for immigrants by a mile"

Windrush wasn't a minor scandal. Please don't minimise the experience of other migrants just because yours was positive.

". I can bring in skilled people I want on work visas far easier than my counterparts in Germany or the US."

Conflating different issues there. Germany doesn't need visas as much because of FOM, the US is different again.

You have based your understanding of this from a lot of assumptions that is based on your own narrow experience. This government have constantly "othered" migrants, whether they be EU or non EU, they've had the "hostile environment" which has led to deportations of people legally allowed to be here, the EU leaving scheme has divided families and made things much more difficult.

Talking rot, please mind yourself.