Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

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We need the security services to shut the group down when they are carrying out what can be described as terrorist methods to influence govt policy.

We have a government. It's a parliament we don't have.

My bad wrong term.

You've led a very sheltered life and clearly never watched the news of you consider throwing paint an act of terrorism.

When cornstarch mixes with water it forms oobleck.

Great fun when you're in primary school. Possibly not so great for porous rock hosting rare or endangered plantlife

They're twats, and they're definitely turning people against probably the most important cause of our lifetime. However, to have them proscribed as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous - it's a bit of paint. I think you need to get some perspective!

Again. The law. Not a whim.
Decided by law (qv)

😂very good!

It was a silly thing to do and won’t get them any support. It will wash off in the rain or with a hosepipe. Not sure there is much more to say really.

Of course. Don’t mention JSO, don’t mention protests, don’t mention climate change. Fingers in ears, all together, lalalalala…

'Of course. Don’t mention JSO, don’t mention protests, don’t mention climate change. Fingers in ears, all together, lalalalala…'

Hahahahahaha @SeriaMau

Yes, because they're doing absolutely nothing for the cause. So, ignore them. They're a liability. You think throwing powder paint at Stonehenge is doing anything? What has it achieved? It's not even starting a proper conversation because all anyone thinks is 'nobs' and moves on. It isn't making anyone stop and think. When JSO is made up of grown ups with a logical protest that speaks to the public, with real arguments, who put forward real solutions to the people then they'll start to listen. Defacing anything is imbecilic.

They're targeting people when they block the roads and won't let ambulances through.
IMO they are idiots who are not helping the environmental cause.
I can understand some of the younger ones, but some of them recently have been in their 60s FFS. Definitely old enough to know better.

"Fewer people using cars would help a great deal, yes"

Well seeing as you keep posting statements instead of answering the question I'm going to take it that you do drive.
Even if you drive less often than you used to, it's so hypocritical to complain about the cars driving past stone henge.

No, it doesn't. Ring of Brodgar and Skara Brae are much older.

They're not terrorists, what a stupid thing to say. They are twits though.

Translation: I don't have a proper argument so I'll just assume bad faith and post an overegged pearl clutch.

The alternative to these silly demos in terms of fighting climate change is perfectly available. It's just much harder work and less instaworthy. HtH.

Yup. And we’d probably not be voting in the 4th. Sometimes needs must. Governments are failing to take action to protect us. People are already dying.

Absolutely. The science couldn’t be much stronger. And Governments across the globe are not taking enough action to protect us. What do we have left, after literally decades of peaceful campaigning and protest, other than shocking direct action to wake us up.

No but it got us talking about the very real and current threat of climate change just before the election so mission accomplished. Like or loath their methods, they are right. And actually, when there is such an enormous threat to us all, there has been decades of peaceful campaigning and protest and still this arsehole government allows more oil to be produced, the only sensible thing to do is rage rage rage. Direct action is the only tool left in the tool bag.

It’s not old enough to know better. It’s wanting to do whatever they can for their kids and grandkids and bring at a stage of life where being arrested won’t ruin their future. People are dying, while governments still seek new fossil fuel production. We have to rise up and fight. It’s the only sane option. Ignoring the problem won’t make it go away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czvvqdg8zxno

We're talking about their actions that's true. Are we thinking of supporting their 'cause' though.

Isn't the point of terrorism that it incites terror?
If you're terrified of the thought of an ancient monument, or an old painting, or someone's plane going a bit orange for a while before it's cleaned up, you need to give your head a wobble.

100% this. ^

It’s not ‘their’ cause and it isn’t a case of whether you support it or not.

It’s fact that human created climate change is happening, we have known this for a long time, it’s happening quicker and more fiercely than predicted, people are already dying and getting sicker as a result. Our ability to grow food is already suffering and climate related migration is already happening.

That’s not a ‘cause’ to support or not, it’s a massive threat to our own existence.

Tut at them if you like but what are you doing about it? What do you expect those people that understand the true situation and see that governments are still putting oil company profit above our survival?

I see your points.

So they get in their cars and drive to stonehedge (protester questioned on tv said at least they didn't fly) to throw paint to protest.

Meanwhile a small number of super rich with their own planes ignore them. Did Taylor Swift even reply to their comments about her having a private plane. If they just targeted people that use private planes, Formula 1, the thousands of households using oil for heating (promoting use of solar and heat pumps instead) they just appear to destroy things. So people IMO turn away.

People have been and still are doing all those things too. And it has not landed. People still don’t get it.

So direct action pushes climate to the top of the news and sparks debate.

Like this one, and millions more on other sites, and in meatspace too.

Stonehedge damage didn't land either, it just annoyed people.

How about blocking private jets and preventing them from actually taking off. A smaller number of actions that stop flights in private jets, stop F1 races from burning thousands of gallons of fuel.

Throwing paint or other things at art, relives, etc is imo a turn off and makes them come over as idiots.