Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

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We need the security services to shut the group down when they are carrying out what can be described as terrorist methods to influence govt policy.

What I want to know is if they threw orange paint at Donald Trump because of his private jet use, would anyone notice?

I'm pretty sure JSO are some weird right wing reverse psychology group that are trying to turn us against climate activism. It would seem that way.

They are doing these things though. Did you not see them at the British Grand Prix?

If you google 'private jets JSO' and use the advanced search to look pre June 2024 you can see they've been doing this long before spraying Taylor Swift's jet.

They also target the oil companies but that doesn't tend to make the news, for some reason...

Ta. I was aware of toad blocking but not F1 which I don't follow. Pointless 'sport' in my opinion

Yes, you've said that already. Which part of my response where you having difficulty understanding?

The bit where I point out that oil companies routinely break the law without recieving the same outrage as JSO do or the bit where I point out you don't get to decide which groups are proscribed terrorists on whim?

but then why didnt they think of better ways to help the environment how is blocking roads helping etc

They use lots of methods, including targeting oil companies directly, but they don’t make the news. The media also cut short their speeches. For what it’s worth, when I first heard about the soup throwing stuff I didn’t get it either, and I was upset because I love Van Gogh. But now I see that, among other things, they are trying to make people think about why these acts provoke such strong emotions while ecocide occurring constantly on a mass scale does not. Stonehenge was an excellent example of this with the outrage over the lichen.

but at the same time most of the general public will think its pointless actions and basically using threats to want the change of govt policy = terrorism tatics.
and those that can already help the environment presumably are eg developing better tech etc

I disagree they are using terrorism tactics. Do you have any suggestions for how to get through to the government on approving new fossil fuel projects? Serious question. Because people have been campaigning in traditional ways for years and the gov haven’t been listening.

why should the govt listen to the general public or even the scientists etc if the govt knows more about climate change etc than what the average joe suggests.

personally they could create a corporation and begin research and development on technologies that will help save the environment ?

that would be a more productive idea

You think the gov know more about climate change than the scientists? Come on now!

personally they could create a corporation and begin research and development on technologies that will help save the environment ?

This is already happening! But none of it matters if the gov keep approving new fossil fuel projects.

I should of reworded it, as the govts own scientists and or if they use private corporations instead of general scientists for the intel on climate etc

That's not how science, or scientists work.

fair points, but also blocking roads and vandalism also does not, if they want to truly make a difference what about the trojan horse method of joining these corporations and focusing their efforts that way ?

Lots of people do that too! I deliberately went into env science for this reason.

i guess then at some point history will reveal who was correct in the end

That's misinformation. This rumour was circulated by Sky News, but was swiftly debunked and Sky took the page down.

Headline grabbing stunts are what get the attention which is the point. It reminds us all that our situation is perilous.

"Terrorists" is a bit OTT in my opinion, but my opinion of JSO has sunk even lower.

15000 people attended solstice there a couple of days ago. Which event do you think was the greater threat to the lichen and local ecosystem, that or two of the stones receiving a handful of coloured cornstarch?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7224qlenmeo

Climate change is an impending large scale extinction event. Activists are trying to draw attention to the cause, and whether you or I agree with the method & it's efficacy or not it's fucking wild to be more concerned about if the lichen at a monument survives than the fact that global warming is projected to extinguish over one-third of the earth's animal and plant species by 2050 if man-made emissions don't change.

why should the govt listen to the general public or even the scientists etc if the govt knows more about climate change etc than what the average joe suggests.

"the scientists" (the entire global population of scientists who study environmental change) have been trying to warn the govt(s) of the impending large scale chaos and extinction events, and have calculated and shared countless action strategies to address it, over many decades.

Do not mistake public protests by JSO to be the only action being taken, or to be ill informed action.

The British government thinks in 4 year stints. Most governments also think short-term. The truth is that meaningful action to tackle the issue has become a case of radical global lifestyle change that isn't popular with voters because we all like convenience and holidays, and it certainly isn't popular with those who line pockets in the current generation. All of which explain government inaction better than the government knowing better than Joe public.

This.

Terrorists . They are vandals and polite ones at that. They get people talking about them which is surely what their aim is.

It seems frankly stupid to argue that they have "turned you off their cause". What, you have now decided to be in favour of global warming because you're not happy that someone put powder paint on Stonehenge?

I think the massive road being constructed under Stonehenge is going to do far more damage than a bit of orange cornflour, frankly. Governments need to wake up otherwise our kids are going to face a much harder life than we did. For everyone that says the JSO puts you off, what should they do? What do you do to take action? I’m not sure that I completely agree with JSO but it gets in the news with is woefully silent on climate change generally. And the election debates have been very muted on what’s the greatest threat we face. Nothing will drive mass immigration like climate change, or global security. We are on course for 2 degree warming which will see huge parts of this country underwater in 50 years and we appear to be sleepwalking into it.
Today I’m going to the Restore Nature Now March in central London. It’s 300 charities and will be loads of families. Bet it’ll barely get a mention in MSM

I think it's fair enough to say that the tactics and antics of Just Stop Oil have put you ('one') off Just Stop Oil.

There nevertheless remains the critical problem of the climate emergency.

In order to make more people care, more effective tactics are needed, because just sometimes not all publicity is good publicity.

In order to actually do something about it, we all have to get our heads around the scale of the carbon pollution coming out of China, the US, China, Russia and Japan, the pollution of e.g. Africa and South Asia, and the destruction of the rain forest - and countries' various consumer roles in this. The solution, should we earthlings find one in time, has to involve international governmental agreements.

However, we currently appear to have a backdrop of bad actors trying to reduce people's faith in 'foreign' governments and courts, denigrating international initiatives, and stalling cross-border co-operation. Countries are hunkering down.

And Just Stop Oil are directing their efforts at Stonehenge? No-one can make that make sense for me.

They appear to be going for the wrong targets. A lot of new age midsummer celebrators are climate friendly. Would be better to hack air booking sites with alternatives eg can you do a zoom call/ get a train or give flyers on SUV damage to roads and asthma outside SUV sales showrooms suggesting the most environmentally friendly car availability there instead