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To opt out of this insane work practice?

378 replies

Acunningruse · 18/06/2024 10:58

I started a new role 3 months ago. Everyone else in the team has been there for years and they are a very established group (but have been very welcoming to me). I discovered the other day, that the "rule" in the team is that when it is someone's birthday, everyone buys them a card, you write it and send it TO THEIR HOME ADDRESS!

I just cannot get my head around this. There are 12 of us in the team. It is just so wasteful- 11 individual cards and stamps whereas we could just send one- or better yet- give it to them in the office!!! We see each other every week!

The waste is huge not to mention the fact that I can barely remember my own family's birthdays, let alone 11 people I've just met?

These are lovely women and the last thing I want to do is cause offence but I really do not want to participate in this. How can I opt out without causing offence?

OP posts:
shams05 · 18/06/2024 14:01

Send an e-birthday card, just set reminders in your work calender. No address needed just email.

Grendell · 18/06/2024 14:11

There's nothing wrong with the new "fresh set of eyes" coming in and declining to participate in this unnecessary silly very female tradition. Be upbeat and cheerful and go with the, You Do You but I will pass.... Others might be grateful.

RitaIncognita · 18/06/2024 14:20

Growlybear83 · 18/06/2024 12:48

What's the issue with sharing home addresses if individuals don't object?

It puts pressure on everyone to share their address, and some people have good reasons not to, including past domestic violence and/or stalking, child protection from parental kidnapping (a very real concern after divorce or separation for some), protection for an adopted child, etc. They should not be put in the position of having to refuse to share their address.

bergamotorange · 18/06/2024 14:26

I would refuse because I would not want to share my address with work colleagues.

It is hard but just say very little, I'd say 'oh thanks for the offer but I prefer to keep my home address private'.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 18/06/2024 14:29

poolemoney · 18/06/2024 12:37

How does that solve anything? OP will still have to remember to give cards to 12 colleagues every year. It's utter madness. I don't even get DH a card.

Edited

I might make the others think. She participates without rocking the boat. The OP has already said she's prepared to give cards, but not post them to home addresses. Giving and receiving cards is actually quite a nice way of marking an occasion.

Norhymeorreason · 18/06/2024 14:31

It's a bit ridiculous and a bit wasteful, but really not that big of a deal. I'd just buy a pack of cheap cards, write them and set calendar reminders to send them. It sounds like your colleagues have been warm and welcoming, so rather than thinking the worst of them, assume it's done with kindness and just go along with it.

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 14:46

A 2nd class stamp is 85p. There are plenty of reasons to object, but cost isn't one. Presumably you'd buy your colleagues a cup of coffee.

poolemoney · 18/06/2024 14:50

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 14:46

A 2nd class stamp is 85p. There are plenty of reasons to object, but cost isn't one. Presumably you'd buy your colleagues a cup of coffee.

In your world maybe. It's a complete waste of money.

coxesorangepippin · 18/06/2024 14:53

It got lost in the mail

Next!

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 18/06/2024 14:54

LordSnot · 18/06/2024 12:52

There isn't one. MNers just love to throw around GDPR even though they don't understand it.

There have explained it for you:

"As previously stated, the UK GDPR considers your home address as personal data. Therefore, if an organisation reveals or shares your home address without a lawful basis to do so, this is a breach of the UK GDPR. However, not every breach of the UK GDPR will result in a valid personal data breach claim".

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 18/06/2024 14:56

RitaIncognita · 18/06/2024 14:20

It puts pressure on everyone to share their address, and some people have good reasons not to, including past domestic violence and/or stalking, child protection from parental kidnapping (a very real concern after divorce or separation for some), protection for an adopted child, etc. They should not be put in the position of having to refuse to share their address.

There's also the privacy reasons.

If everyone wanted to share their personal home addresses at work, there could be all sort of things happening and going wrong.

This is why HR/payroll generally only have employees home addresses.

ItsPrettyGoodReally · 18/06/2024 15:08

Acunningruse · 18/06/2024 11:35

Now THAT is a plan

That's nailed it. Definitely the answer.

This is the kind of situation that leads to Interflora having a website option to send flowers to a given person at a X number of random times throughout the year, without notifying the sender. Job done. What could go wrong?

EBearhug · 18/06/2024 15:09

I can't see how willingly giving out your address for birthday cards would be a GDPR breach. If you feel pressured into it, perhaps, but you could just say no.

Plenty of my former colleagues have had my address and vice versa, but it was done through choice (usually for coordinating lifts to/from the pub, or occasionally to work,) and it's something that happened over years, as things were needed. I've also dropped people off on street corners when the requested, as they were happier with that.

InSpainTheRain · 18/06/2024 15:09

It's a bit bonkers but I'd just do it - although I'd have to diarise in advance and give myself a few days. I'd probably just buy a stack of cards suitable for anything and send it. The problem is if the team are close and they have been there for years and you haven't, then you risk being a bit alienated "she wouldn't even join in sending a birthday card... we did try to include her!" I wonder if there will be snarky comments if someone forgets (as I'm sure I would!)

DogInATent · 18/06/2024 15:12

All your colleagues know your home address?
Bugger that.

HillyHoney · 18/06/2024 15:14

I can up this! When I started in a new office years ago, the whole team of 8 not only sent each other a physical bday card (posted to home address if the bday person was on leave) but also included £20, every year, to every other person's card!! (£25 on "big" birthdays)

Obviously it effectively all cancels out but the amount of palaver when, as OP says, I have my own family and friends' occasions to remember, as well as LIFE, was bananas 😂

Pedallleur · 18/06/2024 15:14

E-card from Moonpig

Pudmyboy · 18/06/2024 15:14

thinkfast · 18/06/2024 11:29

Just tell them you prefer to give and receive e-cards as better for the environment. That way, no need to spend money or reveal your home address.

Came on to suggest e-cards, used them during postal strike, really enjoyed picking a video I thought they would like, got positive responses from the recipients too.

Riverswims · 18/06/2024 15:15

sounds lovely and something we've done if the person won't be in work in time to be handed their card and present before their birthday

Whereinharrogate · 18/06/2024 15:17

I'd just do it. They're lovely, you like them, it's established tradition but honestly posting a card is fine! Buy 11 cards next time you're at the supermarket, set 11 reminders in your phone now. It isn't that big a deal

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/06/2024 15:18

Acunningruse · 18/06/2024 11:26

😮It really is a female thing isnt it? It makes me so cross tbh, that even though we are at work to do the jobs we are paid to do, we are sitting around talking about birthdays. (Im not working today, hence posting on MN).

It's not just a female thing, but a British thing. DH has a colleague just over from Italy. I met her and she mentioned how odd she found it that people spend money on cards when they can just wish someone a happy birthday or send them a text. It does seem just like a way to keep the card industry going. I wonder if it's just us, or if other nationalities give cards to colleagues?

LaWench · 18/06/2024 15:19

I've never been so happy to be working with only men, we barely even say happy birthday to each other. No collections or other annoying office chores. It's perfect.

Mirabai · 18/06/2024 15:19

It was def a woman who came up with this rule.

GrumpyPanda · 18/06/2024 15:22

Of all the hills to die on OP... seriously pick your battles. You may soon find yourself disagreeing with them on something that truly matters rather than just represents a minor inconvenience.

Despair1 · 18/06/2024 15:27

I'd say no. You are an individual and have every right to make your decision on this. This is clearly a long established practice with people who have known each other for a long time and you don't need to commit to it.
I'd make a sweeping comment about never sending cards, don't need to make a big thing of it.
Enjoy your new job!