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To want to cut off Mother/Ask how to do it?

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CollyWobble99 · 17/06/2024 21:23

I’ve always had a difficult relationship with both of my parents.

My father was a very physical discipline kind of guy, and very sexist, racist, homophobic, all the ‘Isms’ basically but he worked away a lot and I didn’t really see him much.

My mother was.. changeable. Very explosive emotionally, very violent, prone to outbursts and regularly beat the crap out of me. I remember being beaten with pool cues, cricket bats, slapped, punched, kicked, spat on, hair pulled, I had boiling hot drinks thrown on me, I got locked in the front porch with both doors locked so I couldn’t go anywhere or even go to toilet, starved for days etc etc.

I was also sexually abused by my mothers father, a man she had idolised all my life so I wasn’t able to say anything to her or anyone, about it. When he died I got absolutely paralytic at his funeral because I was so fucking triggered by everyone he saying what a wonderful guy he was.

I learned later that actually he had also sexually abused my mother and some (not all) of her siblings. It started with her at a certain age so presumably she thought I’d be safe as I was younger, but she sent me off on holidays with her parents, I spent whole weekends and half terms at their house and they took me away to their caravan in a different country for weeks at a time. I wasn’t safe, obviously.

She made no secret of the fact that she got pregnant with me to get my dad to marry her, so she could leave her fathers house to escape his abuse. Apparently she was ecstatic to learn she was pregnant. But she hated me once I was actually here. Clearly resented me. Anytime my own father stuck up for me she punished him too and he always relented, and let her do whatever she wanted.

She had multiple affairs when I was growing up and to the best of my knowledge I’m still the only one who knows about them. She used me as a cover and told me if I ever told my dad about them, then it would be my fault my younger siblings would lose their father and their home.

I developed a drinking problem as a teenager which I’ve since managed to kick. I’m have always suffered MH issues, anxiety, depression and cptsd all of which I’m seeking help for.

She’s never once been able to see anyone else’s pain or point of view, she is incredibly self centred.
If it doesn’t involve her feelings, then it doesn’t matter.

I had successfully cut her off for years and my older kids had nothing to do with her. Then she got really ill and my siblings didn’t think she was going to make it, so
I went to the hospital to see her. She ended up surviving but is in a horrible state health wise, but now she’s back in my life I don’t know how to get rid of her.

I hate her being around. I can’t stand the sound of her voice. The last time I spent any length of time with her (I went to her house, the one I grew up in, to try and help tidy and declutter for the carers, and ended up going home and attempting suicide. All the triggers were just too much)

I don’t know if she genuinely has any regrets or if she just wants someone to care for her now she’s getting more frail, but I don’t want any part of it.

She’s been doing this weird, smothering thing where she’s messaging me every day now, trying to buy me things, offering to babysit, being complimentary (she denigrated every aspect of my looks and personality growing up) anything and everything to be near to me and imho, make up for some of the shit. I remember literally being beaten just for being a ‘Fucking weirdo’ (I liked to read aloud to myself, I found it comforting. I chewed my hair, I repeated excerpts of tv and films I’d seen that stuck in my mind for some reason. I had tics and did other socially unacceptable things and was often beaten for being embarrassing to her )

I just don’t want it. I have a visceral reaction to her and it genuinely makes me physically sick when she’s around.

She was diagnosed as autistic in her early 60s so I’ve really been trying to cut her some slack. I was ‘late’ diagnosed as AuDhd in my late 30s so I’ve really been trying hard to be gentle with her because of that and what she went through herself as a child, but I don’t feel I can take it, mentally or physically. I have 6 children myself, 4 of which are also ND. All of my energy is going into not repeating generational trauma, trying my hardest to be the parent my kids need and maintaining my relationship with my (frankly wonderful, angelic husband)

I really wanted to try and care for her in the way I know she must have missed out on herself as a child, but after all this time I just don’t feel I have it in me anymore. She doesn’t care about anyone else’s feelings, or the effort anyone else makes, she’s never once been concerned with difficult times I’ve had (or my siblings)

We were left to fend for ourselves from a very young age but she still wants this picture perfect mum and child relationship with us all. I know she is ND. I know she is traumatised. But do I have to keep trying to fight all of my own trauma in order to be a good daughter?

I really want to be able to cut her out of my life for my own peace and safety but I don’t want my siblings to suffer or be put in an awkward position.

I’m not sure what I’m asking. I think I’m asking is it ok to prioritise myself at this point, knowing how hard she has/had it too and didn’t have anyone looking out for her? Will I survive the guilt if I just.. stop? I

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ButtonsB · 07/07/2024 19:42

Continue this line with anyone who contacts you. You are trying to improve and manage your adhd...whatever works for you.
Block her on hour eldest phone, do not allow her to contact any of your children.
Tell your husband to block her too.
Refuse to see her, have any contact as you are minding yourself.
Focus on moving.
She cannot force you into contact.
Get a video bell for security.
You definitely can do this.
The long term peace will be so worth it.
Chin up!

Despair1 · 07/07/2024 19:50

My God OP. most people will tremble at your story. You must now prioritise yourself for the sale of your children and your husband. Your mum will have carers for her needs. Your mental wellbeing will be significantly jeopardised by being involved with your mum again. You deserve so much more.
Time to say goodbye

Sparticusoctopus · 07/07/2024 19:56

Well done. That peace you felt will grow and grow. You can expect more ‘flying monkeys’ to try and suck you back in for her but stay strong. You have to prioritise your own well-being now you are a parent. Your DH is doing the right things. Don’t feel bad, that’s marriage. What would you do if the tables were turned? Be kind to yourself.

Startingagainandagain · 09/07/2024 08:23

Stay strong OP.

Putting some physical distance as well by moving is a good idea.

Going no contact was made a bit easier for me because my mother lives in a different country but I still had to put up with phone calls/emails and social media stalking from 'flying monkeys' on her side of the family who did not respect my no contact request.

I had to change my number, email address and I keep blocking them on social media.

I don't regret cutting contact at all.

CollyWobble99 · 22/07/2024 13:31

ButtonsB · 07/07/2024 00:22

You have got this.
Keep posting.
We are here for you.

Just a quick update, I haven’t heard anything from brothers 2 & 3 (which is normal)

Youngest brother who came around to berate me a little while ago on her behalf has sent me a message today which says ‘I think you might have the right idea here. I’m not sure what’s going on but I went to mums for dinner last night and she spent the whole time needling me to have a go at you. I think she actually expects me to come to yours and give you a bollocking. I told her I’m not getting involved anymore. I’m going to have a little break from her too.’

It seems going NC may be just as beneficial to others as it is to myself. I do still keep feeling guilty but I’ve written down some things in a notebook I keep next to my bed and every time I second guess myself I go back to it. My husband and my best friend are both telling me I’ve made the healthy choice and that’s keeping me going. It will get easier I imagine? I just have to keep going now that I’ve started.

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ButtonsB · 22/07/2024 14:14

So pleased to read this.
I often think men can be far more analytical about things like this.
Interesting, that without you as a buffer for this awful woman, your brother has very quickly seen her more clearly.
He doesn't like what he sees and is quickly deciding to drop the rope.

You are not wrong. You are a great woman who has FINALLY decided to save herself.

You 100% deserve saving.
Your husband, children and friends love and need you.
Keep going and keep posting whenever you feel like it.
We are here for you.

Sparticusoctopus · 22/07/2024 17:37

Absolutely the right choice. Check out Dr Ramani on Narcissistic personality. You might find it an helpful lens.

CollyWobble99 · 22/07/2024 19:05

without you as a buffer for this awful woman, your brother has very quickly seen her more clearly.

I have been worried that without me she may turn her focus to my brothers, the youngest especially seems quite vulnerable to her manipulation. The latest message from him gives me some hope that he might not stay her prey too. I don’t think I’ll ever not feel guilty about this for various reasons but it seems like every reaction she has just confirms I’m doing the right thing.

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CollyWobble99 · 22/07/2024 19:07

Sparticusoctopus · 22/07/2024 17:37

Absolutely the right choice. Check out Dr Ramani on Narcissistic personality. You might find it an helpful lens.

Thank you, I will xx

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OriginalUsername2 · 23/07/2024 20:20

I’m so glad to read that you have a family member starting to see what’s happening. Keep going, it does become the new normal.

CollyWobble99 · 23/07/2024 21:20

OriginalUsername2 · 23/07/2024 20:20

I’m so glad to read that you have a family member starting to see what’s happening. Keep going, it does become the new normal.

Honestly I feel like absolute crap that I’m doing this, but I know for a fact that she’s never once concerned herself with my feelings, or my brothers. It’s a horrible feeling, I feel like I’ve deserted a tiny child who can’t fend for herself but that isn’t what it is, is it? I’m mid bloody 40s. I have kids of my own and I do my absolute best to be there for them. I have tried so hard to help her to help herself. If she won’t do it, who will?

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OriginalUsername2 · 23/07/2024 22:08

I liken the process to a robot figuring out its own programming and trying to over-ride it. You were programmed to feel like this and are having to purposely not go along with it, it feels all wrong and weird while you know it’s right. Eventually you’ll have these reprogrammed and these new behaviours will be the normal ones. It might take some years and lots of new discoveries and realisations. It’s quite the journey.

CollyWobble99 · 24/07/2024 18:28

You were programmed to feel like this and are having to purposely not go along with it, it feels all wrong and weird while you know it’s right.

This is insanely accurate.

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CollyWobble99 · 13/10/2024 00:04

Hi again. I’m sorry to resurrect an old thread but there’s been a new development and I’m really struggling.

She hasn’t been able to contact me directly for a few months and I’ve been doing really well. However I’ve had my youngest brother on at me recently saying how I need to talk to her, she’s saying she’s suicidal. I tried really hard to hold to my boundaries and gave him the number for the MH crisis line in our area, and said that whilst I understand, I am not stable enough myself to provide the help that someone in crisis needs, she needs professional help.

He responded with ‘She just wants you to talk to her’

Which says to me she’s utilising manipulative tactics to get me back where she wants me.

I still tried to hold firm and told him that I understand he’s coming from a place of love and care, and I’m sorry he feels he has to manage this for her but I have distanced myself for my own reasons.

She has a partner who should be looking after her. It isn’t our place as her children to be trying to parent her. Anyway he got cross with me (which I hate) and doesn’t seem to understand how he’s being manipulated (Is he? Or am I just being selfish?)

Ive agreed to go and see her next week just to make him feel better but I’m already In turmoil about it. Im not sleeping and I can’t keep anything down, I’m trying not stress anyone else about it, I’m not saying anything to my husband because I know what he will say but it feels so easy for him to say what I should do but he isn’t bearing the weight. I feel so trapped and so guilty and like I’m doing wrong to somebody no matter what happens.

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Pallisers · 13/10/2024 00:10

OP this is one of those times when you MUST put yourself and your needs first. Otherwise you will be the suicidal one. You don't have to persuade your brother to your point of view - I'm sure she did a number on him too. You just have to be very very firm with him that any contact with her is not going to happen.

If she commits suicide that's on her - not you.

Of all the horrible things you listed thinking of you as a little girl locked on a porch without even access to a toilet just broke my heart. you didn't deserve that then and you don't deserve this manipulation now.

Tell your husband all about it and ask him to phone your brother and tell him you will not be visiting and he is not to ask you again. Sometimes it is easier for someone else to say it.

Pallisers · 13/10/2024 00:12

It is very very common in families for people to try to pretend that all the awful shit didn't actually happen. I have 2 separate friends whose siblings have said "well he is different now and you should get over it" when they didn't want to be in the same space as the brother that raped them and respectfully declined invitations that included him. your brother is in that space. but you don't have to deny your own past.

Heronwatcher · 13/10/2024 00:17

Don’t go.

Don’t be made to feel guilty, your instinct/ body is telling you what to do.

I’d send something like “Hi [brother]. I’ve been thinking about our conversation and my offer to visit mum. Sorry but it’s just not going to be possible. Since we spoke I have thought about it a lot but honestly the thought of a visit with her is making me ill and I have to think of my own health first. I’ve already passed on details of adult mental health and I think they are the ones to help her now, not me. I cannot offer her what she thinks she needs and I have very good reasons, as you know. This is something I’ve thought about a lot but this is my final decision.”

ButtonsB · 13/10/2024 00:38

Your brother is just an extension of her.

You poor woman.
You need to text him and tell him you will NOT be visiting your mother and it is best he doesn't contact you again as he is just causing you upset.

You deserve peace. Please fight for yourself.

OriginalUsername2 · 13/10/2024 00:44

This is part and parcel of going NC - the flying monkeys coming to guilt you out of it. You can resist, it’s just a battle of wills. Keep saying no.

OriginalUsername2 · 13/10/2024 00:45

The way you were saying no is perfect, you just can’t back down.

CollyWobble99 · 13/10/2024 01:05

Thank you all for your perspectives. I think what I’m struggling most with, is the effect on my youngest brother. He’s so susceptible to her. Me and my siblings practically raised him but he sees her cry and is her fiercest defender. Whatever I choose to do to protect myself, hurts him. Whatever I free myself of, becomes his responsibility. This is the trap I feel I’m in. If the rest of us let go, he will feel obligated to carry her shit by himself. And likely resent us for it. I don’t want that for him but I just don’t see how I can make him see.

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Heronwatcher · 13/10/2024 01:15

CollyWobble99 · 13/10/2024 01:05

Thank you all for your perspectives. I think what I’m struggling most with, is the effect on my youngest brother. He’s so susceptible to her. Me and my siblings practically raised him but he sees her cry and is her fiercest defender. Whatever I choose to do to protect myself, hurts him. Whatever I free myself of, becomes his responsibility. This is the trap I feel I’m in. If the rest of us let go, he will feel obligated to carry her shit by himself. And likely resent us for it. I don’t want that for him but I just don’t see how I can make him see.

Maybe you need to set him the example of saying no and moving on?

Sorry to be harsh but if you give yourself a nervous breakdown, he won’t be better off.

Slowtopic · 13/10/2024 01:17

No, OP - your mother is the only person responsible for her actions and from previous posts, your youngest DB is wise to her.

Please don’t let her force her way through your boundaries like this. Your mental health is also important! You are breaking free and she is throwing everything she has at it. Please don’t be manipulated.

Slowtopic · 13/10/2024 01:19

Does your youngest brother have daughters? It might be time to explain why you have retreated from her games.

CollyWobble99 · 13/10/2024 01:27

Slowtopic · 13/10/2024 01:19

Does your youngest brother have daughters? It might be time to explain why you have retreated from her games.

No, he’s the only one of us ‘kids’ that is both single and child free. He lived with her til his late 20s and she was horribly manipulative about him moving out. It took him ages to do it even though he wanted to. There is a significant age gap between him as the youngest and me as the oldest.

I did look up NPD and it fits perfectly. I feel like I kind of know what I’m dealing with, but there’s no way to explain that to him.

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