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to think the ageism on here has been disgusting recently

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EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 16/06/2024 11:57

Distaste for the idea of older mothers. Pesky pensioners daring to shop at weekends when they've 'got all week' to do it. Retirement-age people being lambasted for not resigning to free up jobs for younger people. A lack of comprehension as to why older people are even in the workplace at all. Calls for over-80s to be stripped of their driving licences. A solemn assertion from one pp earlier in the year that '60 isn't young. It's old.' like middle age doesn't even exist. And that’s just off the top of my head.

Some people are going to get a shock when they get older themselves, according to some of the comments I’ve seen on this forum recently.

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RitaIncognita · 16/06/2024 17:01

What threads are they? What's the equivalent offensive term for them, like "boomer"?

There isn't any, of course. And "boomer" didn't become a slur until baby boomers got old.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/06/2024 17:01

"A lot of these comments are due to ignorance that actually pensioners have paid into the system for 40 plus years, and have ‘earnst’ their pension, just like the young people will have done when it’s their turn."

You could argue that your comment is in itself ignorant because it doesn't actually work like that in reality. Current workers are paying current pensioners' pension and while current pensioners were paying in, they were paying for the previous generation of pensioners.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/06/2024 17:02

RitaIncognita · 16/06/2024 17:01

What threads are they? What's the equivalent offensive term for them, like "boomer"?

There isn't any, of course. And "boomer" didn't become a slur until baby boomers got old.

Boomer is still not a slur in itself. I've heard 'OK Boomer' being used in a dismissive way, but it seems to be aimed quite randomly at people of various generations.

ASighMadeOfStone · 16/06/2024 17:05

RitaIncognita · 16/06/2024 17:01

What threads are they? What's the equivalent offensive term for them, like "boomer"?

There isn't any, of course. And "boomer" didn't become a slur until baby boomers got old.

Boomer is a neologism and came from the "ok boomer" insult.
Baby boomer is different.

VolvoFan · 16/06/2024 17:05

'Boomer' isn't a slur, but it's used as a slur to disparage those "selfish old people that had it better than us".

RitaIncognita · 16/06/2024 17:08

Boomer is still not a slur in itself. I've heard 'OK Boomer' being used in a dismissive way, but it seems to be aimed quite randomly at people of various generations.

OK Boomer is a slur against baby boomers no matter whom it is aimed at.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:10

I don’t think there is a lot of ageism. There are lots of cries of ageism though but I don’t think that’s the same.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/06/2024 17:12

"Age doesn't really have any bearing on who and what you'll vote for."

That's just not true.

Dontcallmescarface · 16/06/2024 17:12

maudelovesharold · 16/06/2024 13:30

It’s so true. I’m dreading being stuck in a care home and being plonked in front of a Dolly Parton tribute act (no offence) when I want to hear the Clash, The Cure and Oasis!

Or worse still...tea dances and Vera Lynn.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:12

A 40 year old woman is no more likely to be a bad mother than a 30 year old one.

But saying a 40 yr old pregnancy is higher risk than a 30 yr old one is not the same thing as say a 40 yr old will be a bad mother?

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:12

Age doesn't really have any bearing on who and what you'll vote for

The above is mind boggling 😆😆

CarolinaInTheMorning · 16/06/2024 17:13

Boomer is a neologism and came from the "ok boomer" insult.
Baby boomer is different.

I'm not sure what you mean, but Boomer has been short for baby boomer for quite a long time (at least in the US where I am). OK Boomer as a slur is more recent (coinciding with the aging of the baby boom population).

Coughsweet · 16/06/2024 17:13

Marshfritillary · 16/06/2024 12:54

There's plenty of threads bashing baby boomers saying they stole all the houses, despite 1970s 12%+ interest rates. They all had free uni education despite the fact that only around 10% went to uni - parents expected people to leave school and work. Pensioners are all rich despite the fact that the average income for single, female pensioners is £13,000 a year.
Mumsnet is definitely ageist.

I think it’s because Mumsnet leans middle class and this distorts the perception of the realities of most of the older generations lives. Neither of my parents went to university, my mum started training as a nurse aged 16.

The Millennial generation is forecast to be the richest in history through those who will inherit loads of housing wealth. I would think this also means that there will be the highest level of inequality across this generation between those who do and don’t inherit this way.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:14

If you say more older people voted for Brexit you often get retorts of “I didn’t”, or “ageism”. No, it’s just a statistical fact.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/06/2024 17:15

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:14

If you say more older people voted for Brexit you often get retorts of “I didn’t”, or “ageism”. No, it’s just a statistical fact.

Of course. It's just true.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 16/06/2024 17:16

It's always been bad and @MNHQ do feck all about it when you report.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:19

A lot of these comments are due to ignorance that actually pensioners have paid into the system for 40 plus years, and have ‘earnst’ their pension, just like the young people will have done when it’s their turn

thats not how the state pension works.

Problem is, lazy ineffective parenting is producing people who don’t want to work, for whatever reason, and don’t possess any life skills, so obviously when these young mums reach pensionable age, the pot might be empty. But that’s not our problem. You reap what you sow and all that….

More to do with the demographic shift.

RitaIncognita · 16/06/2024 17:19

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 16/06/2024 17:16

It's always been bad and @MNHQ do feck all about it when you report.

Well, Mumsnet published a book (admittedly quite a while ago) called Mumsnet Rules that had advice about not listening to parenting advice from "old biddies on buses." So there is that.

Although, they did agree at some point that was wrong, and committed to addressing ageism on the site. I think it varies according to whomever is moderating at the time.

Hazelville · 16/06/2024 17:20

usernother · 16/06/2024 14:43

60 is old. Unless you're going to live to 120, it's not middle aged.

It really isn’t. Medically you wouldn’t be seen as old.

RationalityIsHard · 16/06/2024 17:21

Just one of the side effects of growing wealth inequality. If the older generations don't want ageism to become even worse, they better find a way of levelling the playing field, rather than raising the ladder.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:22

It really isn’t. Medically you wouldn’t be seen as old.

What age is medically old then @Hazelville?

CatrionaBalfour · 16/06/2024 17:23

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:12

A 40 year old woman is no more likely to be a bad mother than a 30 year old one.

But saying a 40 yr old pregnancy is higher risk than a 30 yr old one is not the same thing as say a 40 yr old will be a bad mother?

None of those threads talked about risk.
It was about being older.

NalafromtheLionKing · 16/06/2024 17:23

paasll · 16/06/2024 12:02

Most of it is ageism, but factually speaking, if an 80+yo is involved in a car accident, the most likely scenario is that it was their fault.

Agree with this. Also middle aged is 40, not 60 (most people die a lot closer to 60 than 120!)

PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 16/06/2024 17:23

VolvoFan · 16/06/2024 16:55

Right, but they're not unsafe owing to them choosing to not drive far in the first place. So you'd rather myself and DH use up our holiday allowance at work taking them places? They're eventually going to be unable to look after themselves and be put in a home. Unless you'd rather they live with us in our tiny house?

Well, if they aren’t unsafe then there’s no issue, is there? I do hope the panic attacks have been declared to DVLA though?

But if they become unsafe then they need to give up driving.

That’s not directly to do with age, purely capacity.

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