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to think the ageism on here has been disgusting recently

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EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 16/06/2024 11:57

Distaste for the idea of older mothers. Pesky pensioners daring to shop at weekends when they've 'got all week' to do it. Retirement-age people being lambasted for not resigning to free up jobs for younger people. A lack of comprehension as to why older people are even in the workplace at all. Calls for over-80s to be stripped of their driving licences. A solemn assertion from one pp earlier in the year that '60 isn't young. It's old.' like middle age doesn't even exist. And that’s just off the top of my head.

Some people are going to get a shock when they get older themselves, according to some of the comments I’ve seen on this forum recently.

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Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:23

@CatrionaBalfour but surely it’s inferred?

Hazelville · 16/06/2024 17:24

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:22

It really isn’t. Medically you wouldn’t be seen as old.

What age is medically old then @Hazelville?

When my father was very ill at age 77 the consultant told me he wasn’t considered old these days.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:25

@Coughsweet why is that relevant to how people actually voted here?

CatrionaBalfour · 16/06/2024 17:25

Yes the right are doing well in Europe. Worrying.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 16/06/2024 17:25

5128gap · 16/06/2024 16:40

I must admit I've been surprised by the extent of the negativity towards older people on MN. A significant enough number of posters that I've noted it as a thing, seem absolutely furious with them, blaming them for all the ills of society. Still others appear to despise them, which ranges from spiteful comments about what older women should wear, to viscious glee at besting their MiLs.
My theory is its the demographic, which is largely people who are no longer young themselves; and some are starting to panic a bit about their own aging and mortality. Framing even older people as something to be despised, mocked and scorned is a way of othering them and distancing from them lest anyone think they may be becoming them. Its also fear, because we all know we're going the same way, and we hate what we fear.

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CatrionaBalfour · 16/06/2024 17:25

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:23

@CatrionaBalfour but surely it’s inferred?

No, the evidence is there in the link from pp.

Firtreeandpinecones · 16/06/2024 17:25

@BellyPork @ASighMadeOfStone

I reported one today also. It's still up. Ageism is ok apparently.

Coughsweet · 16/06/2024 17:26

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:25

@Coughsweet why is that relevant to how people actually voted here?

The article is talks about the change in voting patterns of the young in Europe over the last five years. Views don’t remain static.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:26

When my father was very ill at age 77 the consultant told me he wasn’t considered old these days.

So you are assuming this all based on one consultant? 😆

Life expectancy for a man is 80…

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 16/06/2024 17:28

DaemonMoon · 16/06/2024 16:04

I pity the people who are wound up by things such as boomers, the elderly, people who earn more than them etc. They must have such a lack of agency and control over their own lives, and their negative thoughts become a trap they cannot escape. They only wind themselves up.

I'm happy my father still works in his late 70s. I'm happy my boomer friend is enjoying her retirement, as well as looking after her toddler DGD overnight—whilst being over 65!

Interesting you only post that half of the ageism, not the posts on here criticising the younger generation for having netflix and eating avocados?

I'm early 40's so no skin in this game and agree there's a lot of ageism on here but it absolutely flows in both directions.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:28

@Coughsweet I don’t think the after effects of Brexit have meant more younger people in the UK would now vote for it!

“older people were more likely to vote Brexit”

”but young people in Europe are more right wing”

More whataboutery.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:31

When my father was very ill at age 77 the consultant told me he wasn’t considered old these days.

77 is definitely old and acknowledging that is not ageism.

Marbledwhite · 16/06/2024 17:32

When I first joined MN a few years ago I was shocked at the number of ageist insults.
Eg, an OP about a complaining neighbour (age not mentioned) gets the reply 'Tell the old bag/old cow to fuck off'.

I see far fewer of these now. I hope that's because they are no longer considered acceptable.

Notreat · 16/06/2024 17:33

I'm a boomer as are most of my friends. We all voted remain and none of us have ever voted Tory.
It's stereotyping to say everything bad that has happened is our fault, it really isn't!

Coughsweet · 16/06/2024 17:33

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:28

@Coughsweet I don’t think the after effects of Brexit have meant more younger people in the UK would now vote for it!

“older people were more likely to vote Brexit”

”but young people in Europe are more right wing”

More whataboutery.

I’m worried about the move rightward across Europe. I’m not sure that the young people in my house would see that as sometimes attractive they would run towards.

NalafromtheLionKing · 16/06/2024 17:35

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:26

When my father was very ill at age 77 the consultant told me he wasn’t considered old these days.

So you are assuming this all based on one consultant? 😆

Life expectancy for a man is 80…

Not my in-laws. Their life expectancy is approx 410 😔

VolvoFan · 16/06/2024 17:36

PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 16/06/2024 17:23

Well, if they aren’t unsafe then there’s no issue, is there? I do hope the panic attacks have been declared to DVLA though?

But if they become unsafe then they need to give up driving.

That’s not directly to do with age, purely capacity.

I don't know, because it's none of my business, so it's strange that you think it's any of yours. But you're okay with myself and DH having to use up our holiday allowance to take them places or they can just be prisoners in their own home and wait on the NHS, because they are physically unable to get places themselves? Charming. This is why I dread getting old and potentially being unable to have children. I'll be at the mercy of the State that irrationally fears old people.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:36

@NalafromtheLionKing 😆

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:37

I'll be at the mercy of the State that irrationally fears old people.

No one can identify what an old person is though so have no fear!

BloodyHellKenAgain · 16/06/2024 17:46

labamba007 · 16/06/2024 12:18

I think it mainly comes from...

Brexit voters being typically older
Tory voters being typically older
Covid restrictions mainly to protect the elderly

All of these things have been harmful to young people who (mostly although not all) stand against them.

The effects of the three things above have had a real impact on young people and will do for years to come.

I think it's time for one of my favourite graphs: the one that shows every age group over 45 voted in favour of brexit. Voting for brexit was not something only the oldest in society wanted but they disproportionately get the blame.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

Brexit vote by age 2016 | Statista

In the Brexit referendum of 2016, 73 percent of people aged between 18 and 24 voted to Remain in the European Union, compared with just 40 percent of people aged over 65.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age

Mustreadabook · 16/06/2024 17:47

paasll · 16/06/2024 12:02

Most of it is ageism, but factually speaking, if an 80+yo is involved in a car accident, the most likely scenario is that it was their fault.

Look at the stats, and it's young male drivers that cause the most accidents. So ban them!

Daleksatemyshed · 16/06/2024 17:48

A lot of this is about expections. The young want to be able to have a house but can't afford the deposit so they look to the older generation to provide, they both work so look to DGPs to do childcare. It's a two way street but they think their DPs should go on giving and giving but ask nothing in return, no being needy when their parents get old and ill.

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:48

I think it's time for one of my favourite graphs: the one that shows every age group over 45 voted in favour of brexit. Voting for brexit was not something only the oldest in society wanted but they disproportionately get the blame.

The post you replied to said “Brexit voters being typically older” so your graph perfectly illustrates that …

BloodyHellKenAgain · 16/06/2024 17:56

Houseofdragonsisback · 16/06/2024 17:48

I think it's time for one of my favourite graphs: the one that shows every age group over 45 voted in favour of brexit. Voting for brexit was not something only the oldest in society wanted but they disproportionately get the blame.

The post you replied to said “Brexit voters being typically older” so your graph perfectly illustrates that …

They are typically older, they're over 45 which is older than 18 which is the minimum age. But no sensible person would consider 45 old which is my point.

DaemonMoon · 16/06/2024 17:59

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 16/06/2024 17:28

Interesting you only post that half of the ageism, not the posts on here criticising the younger generation for having netflix and eating avocados?

I'm early 40's so no skin in this game and agree there's a lot of ageism on here but it absolutely flows in both directions.

Well, I have Netflix and eat avocados. Do the younger generations even watch Netflix?

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