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School fees and inheritance. I have my hard hat

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barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 21:16

I have 3 children, currently all at Uni. My sister is child free by choice.

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

When we told my dad this he made us an offer. He'd recently sold his house to downsize to a small flat in an over 50s block and he was cash rich. He offered to pay for the kids to go to school. He felt really strongly about them going and this mattered to him- more than it mattered to us frankly. To ensure their education wouldn't be disrupted he paid the school for 7 years up front for each child. This was just over £100k each.

He then changed his will stipulating that my sister would get the first £300k of any inheritance, with the remainder split between us. (Look - before people start pulling this apart it was a lot more complicated and involved- this is just a simplified summary). He felt confident this wouldn't be a problem as he owned a property he'd paid £250k for and had another £200k left after paying the school fees, as well as a good pension for day to day living.

Over the next 10 years things weren't brilliant. In summary- flat was a terrible investment which cost £50k in 5 years for leasehold repairs and eventually sold for less than he bought it. There were some mistaken investments. He helped out his sister with a loan and she then died and our cousins were dreadful and said without a legal loan agreement they wouldn't repay from her estate. Finally there was a fall that hospitalised him and left him wheelchair bound and needing full time care.

My dad died 7 months ago and after over 5 years in a care home there was almost nothing left for an inheritance.

My sister and I are joint executors and she is furious. She says I got over £300k and she got nothing. She wants £150k off my husband and I to make it "fair".

I understand she's upset and do see how it seems wrong. However we weren't going to go the private school route as we couldn't afford it- this was something that mattered to my Dad and which he did for his grandchildren. I said I see it as a gift to his grandchildren- she says she's being punished for being child free.

I was sympathetic but she's been so bloody horrible that I'm at the stage of just telling her to get lost and never speaking to her again. She's made Dad's death all about money and seems more upset that there's no inheritance than the fact that he's died. She visited rarely and had nothing to do with setting up the care home or managing the fees- I had POA and did all of that. Now she wants his accounts audited and I'm so angry at the implication that I mismanaged things.

Anyway. AIBU to tell her that she's not getting £150k off us? We do have the money as we are both in well paid jobs and she's always struggled to find her niche which I think makes things harder. She lives alone and doesn't have a lot saved for retirement which has been worrying her, so I think some of this is because she was relying on dad's money. However if she'd have bothered to get involved in his care she'd have seen the situation in real time.

OP posts:
PardonMee · 14/06/2024 23:30

You were clearly the favoured golden child and she was the unfavoured black sheep. Her disapproved life choices, location, care involvement and jobs are irrelevant, they don’t dictate her value.

Its irrelevant wether the cash was given to you or your children, its the same thing, it was a gift to your side of the family and not hers.

Your father wanted to gift her the same amount as he gifted your side of the family so personally I would give her £150. I’d do it with love, warmth and respect.

anyolddinosaur · 14/06/2024 23:30

You dont have to give your sister £150k or if you decide to do so it doesnt have to all be at once. I would consider how you can make it fairer and sensibly assist her. Perhaps you could contribute towards a pension for her, making payments over a number of years?

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:31

GogoGobo · 14/06/2024 23:28

You sound horribly greedy OP - you've had £300k from your dad and your sister has had nothing. You need to give her £150k

OP has received £0.

Her kids had their education paid for by their grandfather.

OP wasn't going to send them to private school.

Why should OP end up £150k down?! It's mostly her husband's savings and inheritance she'd be giving away too! Madness.

PandaRosie · 14/06/2024 23:31

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:11

OP didn't get £300k though.

Her dad paid for his grandchildren to go to private school. They weren't going to go otherwise.

OP hasn't financially benefitted. Her children might with getting better jobs etc. Maybe you think they should pay a stipend to their Aunt until it's all paid back.

The OP dad gave her the money on the understanding her sister would get the same. He gave it to the OP.

saraclara · 14/06/2024 23:31

I feel like I'm being punished for dad's poor choices

And your sister hasn't?

mupersum1 · 14/06/2024 23:31

It's a good idea thinking about how we would feel if it were our own kids. Frankly we'd never do anything so daft and unfair.

Ok but if this did happen what would you think was the right thing for them to do?

Especially as you have just said you recognise it is unfair.

PandaRosie · 14/06/2024 23:32

PardonMee · 14/06/2024 23:30

You were clearly the favoured golden child and she was the unfavoured black sheep. Her disapproved life choices, location, care involvement and jobs are irrelevant, they don’t dictate her value.

Its irrelevant wether the cash was given to you or your children, its the same thing, it was a gift to your side of the family and not hers.

Your father wanted to gift her the same amount as he gifted your side of the family so personally I would give her £150. I’d do it with love, warmth and respect.

It certainly appears the OP was the favourite.

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:32

So the husband in all of this does not want to part with his hard earned savings, yet was very happy to take his father in law's savings to fund his children through school? Have I got this right?

doihaveacase · 14/06/2024 23:32

"Putting all his resources into one branch of the family tree".
That hit home.
He really did that.

HE really did that. OP didn't. I don't think she's responsible for making good her father's failings with her family savings. She said she wouldn't have gone private if it wasn't for her father paying, so I don't see how the £150k she has is part of the equation.

I suspect OP's sister is taking out her totally justified hurt and disappointment with her father on OP. But it isn't OP's fault that her father planned badly or judged her sister's life choices, and I don't think she is morally bound to rectify it with her own money.

ZiriForGood · 14/06/2024 23:32

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:29

@CovertPiggery why is everyone ignoring the fact that they were going to send two of the kids to private school before an extra one came along?

Were they? Given the younger ones are twins, there weren't any time they planned to send two of them and than got surprised by finding out the third child was there.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:32

PandaRosie · 14/06/2024 23:31

The OP dad gave her the money on the understanding her sister would get the same. He gave it to the OP.

He didn't give any money to OP.

He paid the school directly.

OP has not benefitted by a single penny as she wasn't going to send them to private school.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:34

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:29

@CovertPiggery why is everyone ignoring the fact that they were going to send two of the kids to private school before an extra one came along?

OP's youngest were twins. They weren't going to just send one of them!

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:35

@CovertPiggery If she had just have had the two children, she was planning and could afford private schooling. She states she could not afford the third one.

saraclara · 14/06/2024 23:36

You knew the money wasn't going to be there for your sister, long before this happened. When he was making these investments, did you not say anything? Did you not say 'you should probably give sis her share of the inheritance before risking this investment/loan' or 'are you going to have enough left to meet your promise to sis?'

You were the one with your finger on the pulse, but you didn't give your sister a thought. It's not like she could say these things to him, it she'd be called money grabbing.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:36

doihaveacase · 14/06/2024 23:32

"Putting all his resources into one branch of the family tree".
That hit home.
He really did that.

HE really did that. OP didn't. I don't think she's responsible for making good her father's failings with her family savings. She said she wouldn't have gone private if it wasn't for her father paying, so I don't see how the £150k she has is part of the equation.

I suspect OP's sister is taking out her totally justified hurt and disappointment with her father on OP. But it isn't OP's fault that her father planned badly or judged her sister's life choices, and I don't think she is morally bound to rectify it with her own money.

Exactly this.

OP hasn't received any financial benefit from her dad paying for her children to go to private school as she wasn't going to send them.

I don't understand why people are saying OP should end up £150k down while her sister is £150k up. That makes no sense!

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:36

@CovertPiggery she could afford the money for two so why take money for three from her Father? She only needed to take 100k as according to her, she could afford two.

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 14/06/2024 23:36

NoveltyCereal · 14/06/2024 23:20

Oh come off it! ‘Dropping hints?!

The OP said DF was hoping the kids would go private and it’s hardly a shock that the OP was discussing schooling with her father. My parents used to regularly ask if we were going private and if we said ‘probably not because we don’t think it’s affordable’ is that suddenly me making huge hints just so my parents offer…I think not.

Hmm I don't think I'm making as huge a leap as you seem to think.

Anyway, the op still states that they'd always planned on private school for 2 but couldn't afford 3. And they had the option of either refusing the offer of school fees, or just taking the fees for the 1 kid that tipped it into "unaffordable" territory. But they chose to accept over £300 000. That is an enormous amount of money that the dad chose to give to one branch of the family and not the other.

That doesn't mean that the op owes the sister half, I'm not saying that. But i can see why the sister is hurt and feels hard done by.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:37

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:35

@CovertPiggery If she had just have had the two children, she was planning and could afford private schooling. She states she could not afford the third one.

You have it the wrong way around. OPs youngest are twins. They couldn't afford 3 so they'd decided against private school.

mupersum1 · 14/06/2024 23:37

But I'm feeling like he got his wish with the school, we planned our lives accordingly and now I'm being asked to hand over my life savings because of his financial choices.

But you sister planned her life choices (her plan for retirement age for example) based on your dad's wishes when he made the will - that she would inherit half from him.

And her assuming things would go to plan and it not happening has led to her having no savings and a pretty rotten financial future.

Yours still leaves you with three privately educated children, a mortgage paid off relatively soon and substantial savings even if you give some to her.

GeneralPeter · 14/06/2024 23:38

YorkNew · 14/06/2024 21:26

Depends if you want to have a relationship with your DSis or a life with your DH, privately educated DC and your big wad of savings.

Edited

That's not exactly the binary is it? But if it were...one's her husband and children. The other's essentially accusing her of fraud or mismanagement, and turning her father's death into a squabble over money. Would you chose your husband and children in those circumstances?

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:38

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:36

@CovertPiggery she could afford the money for two so why take money for three from her Father? She only needed to take 100k as according to her, she could afford two.

OP had already decided against private school.

She didn't receive any money because she wasn't going to send them.

All the savings are from her/her husband's own income + her husband's inheritance.

westisbest1982 · 14/06/2024 23:39

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:23

Not 13 years ago there wasn't!

He also wasn't financially savvy. He was an older boomer who bought a house at the right time. There are a lot of them about.

He also wanted to pay lump sums to ensure he avoided the 7 year gift rule.

From your sixth or seventh post on this thread. So maybe he wasn’t that financially clueless.

PardonMee · 14/06/2024 23:39

you had enough cash to pay 200k for 2 kids but not 300k for 3 kids, however your dad paid the whole 300k leaving you with a spare 200k. Therefore giving your sister 150k of this cash seems fair.

saraclara · 14/06/2024 23:39

Didimum · 14/06/2024 23:27

I’m sorry to be emotive here, OP, as no one wants to lose their savings, but I think any parent, with the plans your dad had in mind, would be disappointed in his child for keeping hold of this money. It’s just fundamentally not right.

It sounds like he wouldn't be bothered. OP was the golden child, and despite his promise to the other one, he gambled 'her' money away on stupid investments. He clearly didn't really care about sis.

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:39

@CovertPiggery The fact remains she took more money from her Father that what she needed.

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