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School fees and inheritance. I have my hard hat

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barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 21:16

I have 3 children, currently all at Uni. My sister is child free by choice.

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

When we told my dad this he made us an offer. He'd recently sold his house to downsize to a small flat in an over 50s block and he was cash rich. He offered to pay for the kids to go to school. He felt really strongly about them going and this mattered to him- more than it mattered to us frankly. To ensure their education wouldn't be disrupted he paid the school for 7 years up front for each child. This was just over £100k each.

He then changed his will stipulating that my sister would get the first £300k of any inheritance, with the remainder split between us. (Look - before people start pulling this apart it was a lot more complicated and involved- this is just a simplified summary). He felt confident this wouldn't be a problem as he owned a property he'd paid £250k for and had another £200k left after paying the school fees, as well as a good pension for day to day living.

Over the next 10 years things weren't brilliant. In summary- flat was a terrible investment which cost £50k in 5 years for leasehold repairs and eventually sold for less than he bought it. There were some mistaken investments. He helped out his sister with a loan and she then died and our cousins were dreadful and said without a legal loan agreement they wouldn't repay from her estate. Finally there was a fall that hospitalised him and left him wheelchair bound and needing full time care.

My dad died 7 months ago and after over 5 years in a care home there was almost nothing left for an inheritance.

My sister and I are joint executors and she is furious. She says I got over £300k and she got nothing. She wants £150k off my husband and I to make it "fair".

I understand she's upset and do see how it seems wrong. However we weren't going to go the private school route as we couldn't afford it- this was something that mattered to my Dad and which he did for his grandchildren. I said I see it as a gift to his grandchildren- she says she's being punished for being child free.

I was sympathetic but she's been so bloody horrible that I'm at the stage of just telling her to get lost and never speaking to her again. She's made Dad's death all about money and seems more upset that there's no inheritance than the fact that he's died. She visited rarely and had nothing to do with setting up the care home or managing the fees- I had POA and did all of that. Now she wants his accounts audited and I'm so angry at the implication that I mismanaged things.

Anyway. AIBU to tell her that she's not getting £150k off us? We do have the money as we are both in well paid jobs and she's always struggled to find her niche which I think makes things harder. She lives alone and doesn't have a lot saved for retirement which has been worrying her, so I think some of this is because she was relying on dad's money. However if she'd have bothered to get involved in his care she'd have seen the situation in real time.

OP posts:
CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:11

PandaRosie · 14/06/2024 23:07

You could have told your dad no…. You didn’t and you got 300 k as a result

OP didn't get £300k though.

Her dad paid for his grandchildren to go to private school. They weren't going to go otherwise.

OP hasn't financially benefitted. Her children might with getting better jobs etc. Maybe you think they should pay a stipend to their Aunt until it's all paid back.

ThinWomansBrain · 14/06/2024 23:13

clearly private schooling gives the beneficiaries a huge sense of entitlement
who knew😂

MeinKraft · 14/06/2024 23:13

If you don't give your sister anything there will definitely be 3 ghosts visiting you this Christmas Eve.

NoveltyCereal · 14/06/2024 23:13

Badgertime · 14/06/2024 23:07

Jealousy or possibly morality.

My mum gave me 55K to put towards a mortgage deposit in my late 30s as I'd split from H.

I have 4 other siblings.

I sold the house last year and shared out that 55K immediately between us all.

I'm on a low income and have very little saved.

I also have 3 kids who I'd love to send to private school but could never afford to. I've always known this but don't begrudge those who can nor do I begrudge those who earn more than I do.

Most importantly, I feel I did the right thing and my siblings are happy.

Yes but that is a different scenario and morally you did the right thing as you benefitted from that money that was given only to you and not your other siblings, which seems unfair in the first place (though you mum was perfectly to entitled to do this).

Had your mum made arrangements to give £55k to your siblings and those arrangements didn’t work out - morally that isn’t on you to make good.

westisbest1982 · 14/06/2024 23:13

They'd have gone to state school, been fine and DH and I would have made exactly the same financial decisions we've made until now because we WERE NOT PLANNING ON PAYING SCHOOL FEES.**

So why did you accept the £300K from him? Or did you know at the time it was to avoid inheritance tax? Surely on some level you would have realised back then given his age he may need some of it for his care in the future? I bet you weren’t thinking of the sister then, who you clearly don’t give a shit about, because you were clearly the favourite daughter and that was OK with you.

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 14/06/2024 23:13

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 22:58

@Soontobe60
"No dear - you managed to save that money because your father paid for school fees!"

Would people please read and engage brains. If dad hadn't have paid we wouldn't have sent them. I don't know how many times I need to say this. We couldn't afford it.

They'd have gone to state school, been fine and DH and I would have made exactly the same financial decisions we've made until now because we WERE NOT PLANNING ON PAYING SCHOOL FEES.

Having read and engaged my brain plenty, I think the bit people (including me!) are struggling with is the fact that you mention this in your op...

We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.
**
when we told my dad this...

So it's not true that you'd decided not to send them. You decided you could afford 2 but not 3, thought about moving house and then chose to tell your dad... And then accept his offer? I mean everyone has different relationships with their parents but it seems like you were dropping massive hints that your dad picked up on! And then you accepted! You didn't say "thanks that's generous but we've decided against private school"

That being said, it does sound like you've been through a lot and dealing with ageing, unwell parents and bereavement is a lot to deal with so I can see why you aren't feeling like engaging much with your sister. But at least own the unfairness and the massive extent to which you've benefitted.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:14

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:07

Your first paragraph is one of the most sensible things I've read on here and a good way of looking at it.

I am aggrieved as I feel like the school wasn't a choice we'd have made and now we're looking at losing all our savings because of dad's poor financial decisions. But he did want things to be fair and he made it clear that sis was to be compensated.
Certainly with hindsight we'd have turned down the school money.

Would your husband even agree to giving away his life savings and inheritance?

I certainly wouldn't if I was in the same situation.

You and your husband didn't receive a cash gift from your Dad or get any monetary value from your children's gift.

Would your husband's mum have wanted her inheritance to go your sister?

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:16

Ponderingwindow · 14/06/2024 22:39

That there did not end up being money with those kind of numbers being the margins is ridiculously predictable. So predictable that there is no way for your sister not to take this personally. Your father made a conscious decision to choose your children over her. He made a conscious decision to put all his resources into one branch of his family tree.

That was his right, but it is going to make her feel unloved. That you didn’t stand up for her and benefited from this plan isn’t really about the money. It’s about what it shows about your feelings towards her.

"Putting all his resources into one branch of the family tree".
That hit home.
He really did that.
I'll never say the school wasn't amazing for the kids. They benefited massively. DD (youngest smallest premature twin) has a significant learning disability and it was honestly life changing for her and she's flying at university. DS (some health problems due to prematurity) found his tribe. Oldest DS got a great uni offer due to his sport which the school was known for.

Dad hoped to be fair but he wanted his grandchildren established more.

I need to decide how fair I think that was.

OP posts:
CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:17

MeinKraft · 14/06/2024 23:13

If you don't give your sister anything there will definitely be 3 ghosts visiting you this Christmas Eve.

How much would you give though?

OPs savings were not gained through her Dad and have nothing to do with the gift he gave to his grandchildren.

The majority is her husband's savings from income and his inheritance from his mum.

It has nothing to do with her dad paying for private school.

NoveltyCereal · 14/06/2024 23:20

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 14/06/2024 23:13

Having read and engaged my brain plenty, I think the bit people (including me!) are struggling with is the fact that you mention this in your op...

We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.
**
when we told my dad this...

So it's not true that you'd decided not to send them. You decided you could afford 2 but not 3, thought about moving house and then chose to tell your dad... And then accept his offer? I mean everyone has different relationships with their parents but it seems like you were dropping massive hints that your dad picked up on! And then you accepted! You didn't say "thanks that's generous but we've decided against private school"

That being said, it does sound like you've been through a lot and dealing with ageing, unwell parents and bereavement is a lot to deal with so I can see why you aren't feeling like engaging much with your sister. But at least own the unfairness and the massive extent to which you've benefitted.

Oh come off it! ‘Dropping hints?!

The OP said DF was hoping the kids would go private and it’s hardly a shock that the OP was discussing schooling with her father. My parents used to regularly ask if we were going private and if we said ‘probably not because we don’t think it’s affordable’ is that suddenly me making huge hints just so my parents offer…I think not.

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:21

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:16

"Putting all his resources into one branch of the family tree".
That hit home.
He really did that.
I'll never say the school wasn't amazing for the kids. They benefited massively. DD (youngest smallest premature twin) has a significant learning disability and it was honestly life changing for her and she's flying at university. DS (some health problems due to prematurity) found his tribe. Oldest DS got a great uni offer due to his sport which the school was known for.

Dad hoped to be fair but he wanted his grandchildren established more.

I need to decide how fair I think that was.

Did the private school actually save you any money?

Maybe the cost of a tutor, but that's probably less than the more expensive trips at private school.

You'd honestly be mad to give away your life savings and your husband's inheritance when you haven't received any financial gains yourself.

Your sister would be £150k up and you'd be £150k down.

I actually hope your husband says no.

3peassuit · 14/06/2024 23:22

Your children got a fantastic education and will have help with a house deposit thanks to your Dad. Your sister got nothing. I understand her resentment. He wanted to even things up on his death and you can afford to be generous.

Upallnight2 · 14/06/2024 23:23

You were going to pay for 2 kids anyway, so £200,000. You've benefited from not having to pay for those children either. I'd be pissed if I was your sister. Although no one is guaranteed inheritance, in this case, it has been really unfair to her! In my opinion your dad make I huge mistake handing out money while he was still alive.

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:23

LutonBeds · 14/06/2024 22:52

I find it difficult that a chap who was so financially savvy that he had £300k lying about made such bad investments later. Retirement flats are also always in the news over the service charge/leasehold fees/difficulty selling. It’s the reason several older people I know won’t consider them.

Not 13 years ago there wasn't!

He also wasn't financially savvy. He was an older boomer who bought a house at the right time. There are a lot of them about.

OP posts:
Upallnight2 · 14/06/2024 23:24

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 14/06/2024 21:39

I agree you should calculate the total inheritance including the £300k you got early and then ensure your sister gets half that amount.

The £150k you have left is your Dad’s money because it is savings you would not have if he had not paid the school fees.

It would be very unfair and grabby of you to go against his wishes which was to have you inherit equally.

This!

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:25

3peassuit · 14/06/2024 23:22

Your children got a fantastic education and will have help with a house deposit thanks to your Dad. Your sister got nothing. I understand her resentment. He wanted to even things up on his death and you can afford to be generous.

OPs savings didn't come from her dad, they came from her and her husband's income and her husband's inheritance.

OP didn't receive any money from her Dad.

BananaSpanner · 14/06/2024 23:25

I feel for your sister and if I were you, I’d like to see her more comfortable but I don’t think you have to gift her the full £150k. Maybe 50k or some such amount you feel more comfortable with.

NoveltyCereal · 14/06/2024 23:26

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 23:16

"Putting all his resources into one branch of the family tree".
That hit home.
He really did that.
I'll never say the school wasn't amazing for the kids. They benefited massively. DD (youngest smallest premature twin) has a significant learning disability and it was honestly life changing for her and she's flying at university. DS (some health problems due to prematurity) found his tribe. Oldest DS got a great uni offer due to his sport which the school was known for.

Dad hoped to be fair but he wanted his grandchildren established more.

I need to decide how fair I think that was.

I think you’re reading too much into that. He didn’t intend to put all his resources into
one branch. He made the decision to put the cash resources he had at the time into the grandkids as that was where the greatest benefit was in his eyes. He then sought to leave the first £300k of illiquid assets to your sister and then split the rest. Under fortunately due his bad decisions, the end result was that you got £300k of those resources but so did a different branch of the family, his cousin and their kids…

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:26

Upallnight2 · 14/06/2024 23:24

This!

OP didn't receive any money. Her dad paid for his grandchildren to go to private school.

She wasn't going to send them to private school.

At least read OPs posts 🤦🏼‍♀️

Didimum · 14/06/2024 23:27

I’m sorry to be emotive here, OP, as no one wants to lose their savings, but I think any parent, with the plans your dad had in mind, would be disappointed in his child for keeping hold of this money. It’s just fundamentally not right.

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 14/06/2024 23:28

CassandraWebb · 14/06/2024 23:10

I feel really sorry for your sister. She must feel like a total after thought. It's not about the money it's the disparity in how you are treated

I think a lot of people - I'd personally say including OP's DF - whether consciously or not, view people without children as a 'dead end' and thus of not much value in the scheme of things.

Yes, it is of course true that single people without children will eventually die and their direct line will come to an end; but that most certainly does not mean that they are somehow inferior or any less deserving or important in their lifetime.

GogoGobo · 14/06/2024 23:28

You sound horribly greedy OP - you've had £300k from your dad and your sister has had nothing. You need to give her £150k

CovertPiggery · 14/06/2024 23:28

Didimum · 14/06/2024 23:27

I’m sorry to be emotive here, OP, as no one wants to lose their savings, but I think any parent, with the plans your dad had in mind, would be disappointed in his child for keeping hold of this money. It’s just fundamentally not right.

But then OP would be £150k down and her sister £150k up as OP didn't receive or save a y money.

The gift was to his grandchildren. Should they have to repay their Aunt?

Lou670 · 14/06/2024 23:29

@CovertPiggery why is everyone ignoring the fact that they were going to send two of the kids to private school before an extra one came along?

ZiriForGood · 14/06/2024 23:30

Didimum · 14/06/2024 23:27

I’m sorry to be emotive here, OP, as no one wants to lose their savings, but I think any parent, with the plans your dad had in mind, would be disappointed in his child for keeping hold of this money. It’s just fundamentally not right.

There are no money as such which would came from the OP's father.

The money he provided were immediately consumed by grandchildren's education, as he wished.

The fact that OP's husband has some inheritance is irrelevant here.

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