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School fees and inheritance. I have my hard hat

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barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 21:16

I have 3 children, currently all at Uni. My sister is child free by choice.

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

When we told my dad this he made us an offer. He'd recently sold his house to downsize to a small flat in an over 50s block and he was cash rich. He offered to pay for the kids to go to school. He felt really strongly about them going and this mattered to him- more than it mattered to us frankly. To ensure their education wouldn't be disrupted he paid the school for 7 years up front for each child. This was just over £100k each.

He then changed his will stipulating that my sister would get the first £300k of any inheritance, with the remainder split between us. (Look - before people start pulling this apart it was a lot more complicated and involved- this is just a simplified summary). He felt confident this wouldn't be a problem as he owned a property he'd paid £250k for and had another £200k left after paying the school fees, as well as a good pension for day to day living.

Over the next 10 years things weren't brilliant. In summary- flat was a terrible investment which cost £50k in 5 years for leasehold repairs and eventually sold for less than he bought it. There were some mistaken investments. He helped out his sister with a loan and she then died and our cousins were dreadful and said without a legal loan agreement they wouldn't repay from her estate. Finally there was a fall that hospitalised him and left him wheelchair bound and needing full time care.

My dad died 7 months ago and after over 5 years in a care home there was almost nothing left for an inheritance.

My sister and I are joint executors and she is furious. She says I got over £300k and she got nothing. She wants £150k off my husband and I to make it "fair".

I understand she's upset and do see how it seems wrong. However we weren't going to go the private school route as we couldn't afford it- this was something that mattered to my Dad and which he did for his grandchildren. I said I see it as a gift to his grandchildren- she says she's being punished for being child free.

I was sympathetic but she's been so bloody horrible that I'm at the stage of just telling her to get lost and never speaking to her again. She's made Dad's death all about money and seems more upset that there's no inheritance than the fact that he's died. She visited rarely and had nothing to do with setting up the care home or managing the fees- I had POA and did all of that. Now she wants his accounts audited and I'm so angry at the implication that I mismanaged things.

Anyway. AIBU to tell her that she's not getting £150k off us? We do have the money as we are both in well paid jobs and she's always struggled to find her niche which I think makes things harder. She lives alone and doesn't have a lot saved for retirement which has been worrying her, so I think some of this is because she was relying on dad's money. However if she'd have bothered to get involved in his care she'd have seen the situation in real time.

OP posts:
YorkNew · 14/06/2024 21:19

I would be upset if I was the sister.

rubyroola · 14/06/2024 21:20

Offft. This is a difficult one op. Your DSis must be absolutely destroyed by this. Why wasn’t she told at the time the plan about the will given that you were? Obviously you don’t have to give her a penny but try putting yourself in her shoes.

Donutbed · 14/06/2024 21:22

Oh my gosh that is so tough. I think you need to keep saying your dad chose to spend his money on your children - not you - while he was alive and you can't do anything about it now... There is no money to give her.

You say she is childfree by choice - is this definitely the case? She hasn't hidden any difficulties or upset from you on this?

Even if she has I can understand she'd feel hurt her life hasn't perhaps been 'invested in' like yours has, only because you had children.

JustPleachy · 14/06/2024 21:22

I’m quite torn really.

My knee jerk reaction was no, she’s a bit deluded about the whole thing.

But then you said you do have the money and she is struggling. She is your sister, and it seems likely this is more of a symptom of that struggle and worry than anything else. People aren’t perfect. It depends on how much you value your relationship with her.

EatTheGnome · 14/06/2024 21:22

If you have the money then you're basically acknowledging that you'd feel the same in her shoes. Yes, it was your dad's choice but your children have benefitted so morally I think you need to meet her half way.

PuttingDownRoots · 14/06/2024 21:23

You can't guarantee there will be inheritance. Ultimately its a choice your father made.

Donutbed · 14/06/2024 21:23

Sorry I missed that you DO have £150k sitting around. If you are rich and have truckloads more than that I'd probably give her some. Things have been unfair - you could make it less unfair IF you can afford it

EatTheGnome · 14/06/2024 21:24

And to be honest inest I think the idea of giving her money rankles you because you think private eduction and you both having good jobs makes you better qualified to spend the money well on good investments but you think she will fritter it. I get that and I empathise but it really is up to her what she does with it

EatTheGnome · 14/06/2024 21:25

Ask yourself- if your dad was alive and had the money back, what would he do with it? Would he cut her out for your kids?

What happened to the other 100k?

Sparklfairy · 14/06/2024 21:26

She must have clocked that dad's money was dwindling? She wasn't promised 300k - she was promised the first 300k. Big difference.

There's so many things she could have done differently. Perhaps your dad would have given her a similar advance if she'd asked at the time, but if there's no money left there's no money left!

Don't give her the money. I'm childfree and I'm on your side with this one. It's 'unfair' if you look at it totally black and white (i.e. one sibling 'everything' and the other got 'nothing', but it sounds a bit like she expected 300k to be set aside for her and she was getting that regardless of what happened to the rest/how long he lived/care needs, and that wasn't the arrangement at all.

YorkNew · 14/06/2024 21:26

Depends if you want to have a relationship with your DSis or a life with your DH, privately educated DC and your big wad of savings.

Helptyhelp · 14/06/2024 21:26

Yes, I agree with pp. If you have the money, I think that it’s fair that you pay her. It was your father’s wish that you should get equal shares and I hope that she knows that.
We had a kind of similar, complicated situation with my sister. My sister should have paid money back into the estate but found a loophole and took advantage of it within 2 days of my mum dying. The family shattered and I have little to no contact with any on them now. This happens in so many families.
i think that you need to think long and hard about the decision you are about to make, good luck and I am so sorry for your loss.

PurplePolkaDot0 · 14/06/2024 21:26

I would give her the money. Your dad’s intent was for her to receive the same as you. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but he should have given you both the same amount at the same time.

SwordToFlamethrower · 14/06/2024 21:27

She's your sister, your dad was so generous, take a leaf from his book.
Give her the money and with blessings too, I'm getting the impression that your dad would be pleased if you did this.

MollyJustMight · 14/06/2024 21:28

Your sister is deluded if she thinks you owe her ££££

This is going to cause a rift I'm sure but no way should you give her ££££

Shit happens, as it has in this instance.

Donutbed · 14/06/2024 21:28

Thinking about this more - give her the maximum you can afford. It's what's morally right. And she's your sister

FadedRed · 14/06/2024 21:28

Donutbed · 14/06/2024 21:23

Sorry I missed that you DO have £150k sitting around. If you are rich and have truckloads more than that I'd probably give her some. Things have been unfair - you could make it less unfair IF you can afford it

^This ^ Especially as your op says you had been planning to send two children to private education, but changed your minds when you had twins. Why then did you take the £300,000 from your father, and not just the £100,000 for the ‘unexpected’ child?

barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 21:29

rubyroola · 14/06/2024 21:20

Offft. This is a difficult one op. Your DSis must be absolutely destroyed by this. Why wasn’t she told at the time the plan about the will given that you were? Obviously you don’t have to give her a penny but try putting yourself in her shoes.

She was told at the time. My dad said that he'd paid the kids fees and that he'd made it equal in the will. I wasn't directly benefitting - we weren't buying a bigger house and going on flash holidays. This was money we never saw that went directly to the grandchildren.
She also vastly underestimated how much school fees were. (We both went to the same school in the 70/80s for a lot less!)
Finally 11 years ago she was in a relationship with a nice chap, with a mortgage and a job that looked like it was going to stick. Her circumstances are different now.

OP posts:
ParentsTrapped · 14/06/2024 21:29

SwordToFlamethrower · 14/06/2024 21:27

She's your sister, your dad was so generous, take a leaf from his book.
Give her the money and with blessings too, I'm getting the impression that your dad would be pleased if you did this.

I agree with this 100%.

You say yourself that you could have paid for 2 kids to be privately educated, but rather than just paying for 1, your dad paid for all 3. Do you really think he would have done that if he had thought she’d end up with nothing?

JustMarriedBecca · 14/06/2024 21:29

PurplePolkaDot0 · 14/06/2024 21:26

I would give her the money. Your dad’s intent was for her to receive the same as you. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but he should have given you both the same amount at the same time.

I agree you should give her something. Your Dad's intention was that she got something. I suspect if you have large sums now, you had some or a proportion of that when he was alive and could have paid the last part of the fees back to him whilst alive and covered the school fees yourself.

I can only imagine how hurt I would be in her shoes

chloechloe · 14/06/2024 21:29

You don’t owe her anything. Your father decided to invest in the education of his grandchildren - had your sister had children then presumably he would have treated them equally.

However given that you have the money, the question is whether morally you should give her something. But when she’s acting the way she is and given that she didn’t share the load of caring for your father then I understand completely why you wouldn’t want to.

Donutbed · 14/06/2024 21:31

'Why then did you take the £300,000 from your father, and not just the £100,000 for the ‘unexpected’ child?'

Excellent point.

Give her the money

Peclet · 14/06/2024 21:31

How much do you value your relationship with your sister? Can you put a price on it?

Your children have benefitted and she hasn’t at all. So yeah the tough nuts stance is to say- shove it sis. But in reality you need to come to some kind of financial arrangements

MrMotivatorsLeotard · 14/06/2024 21:31

She’s probably really upset with your dad for giving you £300k whilst alive and not ensuring she received anything close to a similar amount. And I can understand her hurt because he’s not treated his children equally. Yes, I know the money went straight on school fees but it’s £300k that benefited you and your family, and not her.

Your sister can’t rant and rave at your dad of course so she’s directing her anger at you. Demanding £150k from you doesn’t reflect well on your sister but at the same time I think her hurt is completely understandable. She hasn’t been treated equally.

I’m sorry for your loss of your dad by the way Flowers

Sewsew0 · 14/06/2024 21:31

I would see it that he in effect gifted the money to his grandchildren rather than you. I think getting into the realms of gifting her money to equalise it could still cause difficulty - how much? If less than £150k, would the relationship still be extremely strained regardless? I can't imagine asking a sibling for money in those circumstances.

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