Farage is leader of the opposition

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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-live-updates-reform-labour-tories-3110227

Farage is claiming he is the de facto leader of the opposition and that he should get a head to head debate with Starmer. His party currently holds no seats.

What do you think?

Is someone positioning himself for something after the election?

Yes that's right about the Conservatives and Labour, the party is set up so that people within the party can remove their leader. They have the power to do so.

As Farage is the major shareholder of the company Reform UK nobody will be able to remove him.

Essentially he'll be like a dictator with complete free rein, won't he?

@GreekDogRescue a little bit of reading material to educate yourself
https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism

I like Nigel Farage and I’m glad there’s someone keeping the country from going too far left.

I would describe myself as centre right. I believe in work that pays; accountability for your own choices; taxes used appropriately and I am not interested in becoming poor in order to reach net zero sooner. I am concerned about the ‘open boarder’ policies of some of the other parties, we need skilled immigration, but not unskilled. I do not enjoy having other peoples ideologies shoved down my throat, although I tend to have a live and let live approach to life. I don’t judge others even though I might not agree. Although I do believe in women only spaces.

I consider myself to be ‘normal’, hard working and I’m pleased that Nigel is adding balance to some of the other parties, preventing them from going too far with some of their policies and ideas.

I appreciate that labour is going to get into power, I think they are useless, although they can’t be any worse than the Tories have been. I hope that Nigel can be an opposing voice in the next government standing up for us who perhaps aren’t as progressive, and there are many of us.

I refuse to call other people names or insult them based on who they vote for. I believe in tolerance towards all, except when it’s harmful e.g. those important women’s spaces.

Anyway, I’m a secondary teacher in her early 40’s and I will be voting for reform. It’ll be a first, but I feel it’s the right decision for me.

You...you...you think Nigel Farage isn't anti-semitic???

The man who sidled up to Jewish schoolmates and whispered 'Gas them all'??

You...you...you think Nigel Farage isn't anti-semitic???

Farage is standing more of less shoulder to shoulder with Steven Yaxley Lennon, and he’s a vocal supporter of the Israeli govt isn’t he.

So the pair of them can’t possibly be amoral grifters spouting shite to the poorly informed, can they?🤔

Farage is standing more of less shoulder to shoulder with Steven Yaxley Lennon

They've decided that they hate Muslims more than the Jews.

I believe that the Jewish community have told Yaxley Lennon to fuck off, they don't want his support.

Well… no
we rely on our democratic rules, so the max parliamentary length of 5 years then he and his party would have to go to the electorate again. We don’t rely on the parties having fair processes, although it’s preferred.

under our system we elect for 5 years and during that time they can do what they want. There’s no real mechanism to do anything if they dont do what we thought they would

my point is that parties can have whatever internal rules they like (I think)

Do you have any stats for this?

The Feminism (Sex and Gender) boards for a start do not necessarily lean towards Labour, or indeed the left in general. We are largely called right wing nazis there, so we can't win.

If indeed there is a general leaning towards Labour, then that's what the nationwide polls are predicting. That's because people are disenfranchised and feel it is time for change after 14 years of Tory rule.

There has been plenty of support on MN over the past few years for the Conservative Government. There were lots who supported Johnson et al during the Pandemic. And of course there will always be the shy Tories.

I suppose you could always pick another social media platform or forum that more aligns with you.

Look how Reform UK have gone from 9 percent, to 11 percent, to 14 percent, then 16 percent now 18 percent. They are clearly trending upwards in all polls. Also in the North West, North East, Yorkshire and the Humber, East Midlands and West Midlands they are ahead of the Conservatives. So yes he should be included in the Leaders debates and the BBC refusing to let him join in just makes a lot of people angry and more likely to vote for him.

You really can't know or say what the MAJORITY of people who voted for Brexit think they made a mistake. That's a stupid thing to claim.

I understand how our voting system works.

I'm not talking about our power - we vote the party in in good faith for 5 years, I know that.

However, in other parties, during that 5 years there is peer control.
Reform UK won't have that. Nobody within the company can remove him.

He can behave a appallingly as he sees fit and the company and country have no redress for five years.

Seeing as this thread is about supposed polling results…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

And another one

And my point is that’s nothing to do with the limited company status and purely down to the internal rules they have. That’s my understanding anyway.

and that people need to understand what party/company they’re voting for as they’re giving them 5 years

i think we’re actually agreeing 😀

@Icantpaint YAY! We are agreeing furiously.

I might have been being a bit dim there. Sorry.

So you think the NHS can be brought back up to standard at the same time as making tax cuts? How would that work?

Have you missed the million threads started by parents worried about vat on private school fees? They are not left leaning

The devil plays all the best tunes.

He is right about the NHS. It needs massive reform

He is a dangerous racist

You can be left leaning and send your children to private school. Look at the Labour politicians like Diane Abbott who do so.

@Livelovebehappy

I find it interesting that the left thing MN is right wing, and the right think that's its left wing, a bit like the BBC, so it's probably quite balanced.

no dimmer than I 😀

True but it is scary that there are so many people supporting him. His politics are bad for the the country.

This. The Conservative Party are also listed on Companies House.