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Colleague has said I'm vain a few times

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Spottttty · 12/06/2024 06:56

Well not said it, but heavily implied it. I could understand if I'm going around saying 'Look at me I'm soo beautiful' but obviously this isn't the case.

She's said this because I sometimes put make up on or use a mirror at work at lunch. So what? Like it's not affecting her in any way.
She's made comments about 3 times, I've just laughed but next time I'll say something maybe?

It might just be friendly ribbing as she's nice otherwise but not sure what her goal is. She's someone who doesn't wear a scrap of make up and that's up to her, I'm not someone who can do that and that's just me.

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Ratisshortforratthew · 12/06/2024 13:04

IncompleteSenten · 12/06/2024 13:01

Can't speak for anyone else, maybe there are actual reasons but for me - I have no idea why it is considered by many to be inappropriate. But I do know that it is considered by many to be inappropriate.

I don't care but I understand that a lot of people do. It seems to be considered part of dressing as far as I can figure it out so gets grouped in the "not in public" box along with putting your bra on and brushing your teeth. I think. Although I'm not 100% sure.

I think that you can't possibly hope to make sense of all the social rules in life because sometimes I think there is no logical, scientific reason, it's emotional rather than logical so you just have to keep a mental list of the rules and rituals and dance the dance along with everyone else until enough people can't be arsed with a particular dance and it either stops or changes.

Tl:Dr - people are weird.

Or you could just not adhere to the so-called social rules that are patently ridiculous, like this one. It’s fine to decide you won’t abide by some rules as long as no one gets harmed - and nobody is going to be harmed by someone applying makeup in public. Sure, they might think it’s uncouth or tacky but frankly, that’s a them problem!

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 12/06/2024 13:04

Ladyritacircumference · 12/06/2024 13:01

Applying make up in public is traditionally a no-no. That used to include lipstick when it came in pots. When it started being sold in sticks flappers used to apply it in public for the shock value. It was considered outrageous.

Edited

Showing an ankle used to be considered outrageous. A woman alone used to be considered outrageous.

HysteriaOfTheWanderingWomb · 12/06/2024 13:05

usernother · 12/06/2024 11:57

I think it is odd to touch up your make up in a canteen and that's why she keeps commenting on it. Do it in the toilets.

But the colleagues isn't saying 'ere mate, do you have to do that here, I'm trying to have my lunch'

She's saying 'I think your motive for wearing make up is your unhealthy regard for the value and importance of your appearance'

Colleague is making a value judgement not a conduct complaint.

This whole 'the reason she's being rude is because she's objects to your breaking social etiquette' is entirely in the heads of pp here.

Megifer · 12/06/2024 13:05

My eyes are able to move around in their holes, so if someone is touching their make up up, but I don't want to see, I can do this thing where I sort of move them around so they are in a different position. Like looking down or to the side etc. Sometimes a curtain type thing will come down over them and everything goes dark and I can't see at all.

Can others not do this?

Demonhunter · 12/06/2024 13:05

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:00

Good lord. Because people are different? And something that bothers one person might not bother the next?

Some people on this thread really struggling to understand that other people have different feelings and reactions to them.

As others have stated better, there are personal and professional boundaries. I don’t want to see my (male) manager smearing moisturiser all over his face in the break room (shudder). I don’t want to see my colleague cutting her fingernails in the break room. And I don’t want to see a colleague reapplying concealer to a spot. These are personal acts of grooming that usually take place in private, per the social norms in the UK.

I think most posters are thinking how absurd it would be for anyone to act like this at their job (me included). But I think from OPs reaction, she is probably a teenager and it’s a more “casual” type job, hence why she is so unbothered. But no, it wouldn’t be the done thing in a professional workplace.

You haven't answered what the harm or negative effect it has though, just that your feelings and preferences are what should be prioritised over someone elses. She's not changing a sanitary towel in the middle of the room, changing her bra or using a pumice on her dry feet, so why is applying concealer to her face, a private act if applying chapstick isn't?

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:06

Demonhunter · 12/06/2024 13:05

You haven't answered what the harm or negative effect it has though, just that your feelings and preferences are what should be prioritised over someone elses. She's not changing a sanitary towel in the middle of the room, changing her bra or using a pumice on her dry feet, so why is applying concealer to her face, a private act if applying chapstick isn't?

I actually did answer this on a previous post.

Alltheunreadbooks · 12/06/2024 13:06

Spottttty · 12/06/2024 13:03

I'll add those to the list, thank you 😁 I didn't realise the emojis had an age limit on them?

So, everyone is wrong and you are right?

Is that how you live your life? never taking advice? never reflecting on anything that is ever said to you?

only hearing what you want to hear?

Why on earth did you start an AIBU? about this anyway? you clearly don't think you are, and laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise.

DollyPartonsBeard · 12/06/2024 13:07

JamSlagsNowPlease · 12/06/2024 12:04

Or you could just say 'chavvy', which putting on make-up in public is.

Edited

Good idea, if you want to sound snobby, superior and classist too!

Spottttty · 12/06/2024 13:07

Alltheunreadbooks · 12/06/2024 13:06

So, everyone is wrong and you are right?

Is that how you live your life? never taking advice? never reflecting on anything that is ever said to you?

only hearing what you want to hear?

Why on earth did you start an AIBU? about this anyway? you clearly don't think you are, and laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise.

Not quite what I said, but, sure !

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TriesNotToBeCynical · 12/06/2024 13:07

Spottttty · 12/06/2024 13:03

I'll add those to the list, thank you 😁 I didn't realise the emojis had an age limit on them?

They do: but it's about 70.

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:09

Someone of the posters here (including OP) must be the kind of people who give Brits a bad name abroad. Violating local customs left right and centre because they’re too thick to understand what a social norm is, or what manners are.

PuddlesPityParty · 12/06/2024 13:10

Toastandbutterand · 12/06/2024 08:33

If someone put on their make up in front of me every day at lunch time in public I would think they were
a) a bit of a vain Instagirl.
b) very insecure about their appearance.
c) making a flourishing obvious dig about the fact I never wear make up.

My response would be based on other aspects of their personality, not just the applying of make up in public.

It's an unusual enough action that I would wonder why you were compelled to do it. I probably wouldn't say anything though.

Very odd to assume all that.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 12/06/2024 13:10

ttcat37 · 12/06/2024 10:17

You do sound vain so that’s probably why she said it

In what way is it vain to care about one's appearance? Or is it the fact that OP dares to care about it in front of other people that makes her 'sound vain'?

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 12/06/2024 13:11

I swear people couldn't be more offended if the OP was squeezing her spots into people's sandwiches. You aren't are you OP?

IncompleteSenten · 12/06/2024 13:11

Ratisshortforratthew · 12/06/2024 13:04

Or you could just not adhere to the so-called social rules that are patently ridiculous, like this one. It’s fine to decide you won’t abide by some rules as long as no one gets harmed - and nobody is going to be harmed by someone applying makeup in public. Sure, they might think it’s uncouth or tacky but frankly, that’s a them problem!

Me personally? No thanks. I have enough trouble keeping track of them and performing them without trying to figure out which stupid rules actually need to be adhered to and which stupid rules can be chucked in the bin. I'll let the NTs figure that out and just update when they do 🤣🤣

PuddlesPityParty · 12/06/2024 13:11

I’m not seeing what the issue with OP touching up her makeup is either. I would say the colleague mocking the OP is the bigger issue here and isn’t appropriate workplace behaviour

DollyPartonsBeard · 12/06/2024 13:13

PurplePi · 12/06/2024 12:52

I don't know about you, but whenever a dilemma like this occurs in my life, I reach for the Barbara Cartland Book Of Etiquette. She is very clear on the subject.

But dear old Barbara says below that that we mustn't spend too long in the cloakroom (NB Dame Babs refers to it as the cloakroom not the powder room, take note PPs, she literally wrote the book on etiquette!) or we will annoy our suitors!

Ladyritacircumference · 12/06/2024 13:13

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 12/06/2024 13:04

Showing an ankle used to be considered outrageous. A woman alone used to be considered outrageous.

A drunk or hatless man in public used to be thought of as outrageous, now no one cares.

The lipstick only became ok when the packaging became phallic. 🍆 💄 funny old world.

Indigococo84 · 12/06/2024 13:13

upthespoutagain · 12/06/2024 07:01

Personal grooming should take place in private. Is she in the bathroom with you when you are doing these things? She is probably trying to tell you that you shouldn't be using a mirror to fix your face in public.

Oh dear 🤦‍♀️

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 12/06/2024 13:13

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:09

Someone of the posters here (including OP) must be the kind of people who give Brits a bad name abroad. Violating local customs left right and centre because they’re too thick to understand what a social norm is, or what manners are.

It's a bit thick to think that Spaniards complaining about Brits Abroad are complaining about women quietly touching up their make up in a public place and not the noise, the public urination, the vandalism.

But sure if you want to assume that I'm one of Those Brits Abroad that's fine. I'm not so insecure that an internet stranger's opinion means anything to me.

hydriotaphia · 12/06/2024 13:14

Unbelievable that so many people are not only in a flap about a woman applying make up gasp in public, but also think it justifies others making rude personal remarks. Sorry, but this really is just policing women's behaviour.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 12/06/2024 13:14

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 12/06/2024 13:11

I swear people couldn't be more offended if the OP was squeezing her spots into people's sandwiches. You aren't are you OP?

...and we're done with the banana custard. (Kidding 😂)

Demonhunter · 12/06/2024 13:14

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:09

Someone of the posters here (including OP) must be the kind of people who give Brits a bad name abroad. Violating local customs left right and centre because they’re too thick to understand what a social norm is, or what manners are.

As someone who worked with holidaying Brits abroad for many years, from youth to prestige, I can assure you that pedantic, condescending, holier than thou Brits are just as irritating to the locals.

Megifer · 12/06/2024 13:15

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:09

Someone of the posters here (including OP) must be the kind of people who give Brits a bad name abroad. Violating local customs left right and centre because they’re too thick to understand what a social norm is, or what manners are.

What local UK custom is being violated due to op applying concealer at a table?

YellowCloud · 12/06/2024 13:16

Megifer · 12/06/2024 13:15

What local UK custom is being violated due to op applying concealer at a table?

😂

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