This covid merry-go-round is never going to end, is it

[sixtyandsomething]

covid again, oxygen monitors again, off work again, informing all vulnerable contacts again, feeling terrible again. I have had 8 immunisations. Well, at least it isn't anything like as bad as it could be without immunisations. But this is never going to end, is it. Every year, at least 2 immunisations, and at least 2 illnesses, until the one that finishes me off , I suppose. That is without counting the disruption when someone else tests positive, instead of me.

It's a fact insomuch as the reported symptoms exactly matched the ones I experienced

If you want to call that "assumption" go right ahead 👍🏻

It is thought to have been here in 2019,but not identified.

If you consider the live testimony of a highly eminent physician to be "online research" then again, you do you 👍🏻

Think back to when we were in the middle of this.
Lots of conflicting pronouncements, each delivered with an authoritive air. Masks/no masks/n95 masks/ 2 masks. For one example.
Doctors with different views, being blacklisted and smeared.
The vaccinations being announced as the answer to transmission/ well it doesn't stop transmission but it stops you getting so ill/ well we might pull these ones because of the heightened risk of heart problems in young men / but they're still being mandated. Etc.

My own view is that the authorities erred on the side of caution because they didn't know what sort of witches brew was being cooked up in Wuhan.

But they behaved terribly with good faith questions and real fear from sectors of society who didn't fear for their health but for other disruptions. They have ruined the trust in public health authorities. It's a terrible pity.

But people react badly to authoritarianism, and dismissal and smears. It should have been forseen. It makes me nervous as I can only imagine such a heavy handed response was to confront something truly horrific from these biolabs & and we may not even realise how lightly we got off.

I say this as someone who was immunocompromised too at the height of it, and raced for the vaccine when it was available to me. But that severely restricted life is not sustainable, and brought with it its own tradeoffs which weighed much heavier on certain people than others.

And contra a poster above, we can't arrange society to cater for every marginalisation possible. We have to arrange it for the mainstream - we're all 90% mainstream despite nearly everyone being an outlier in a couple of areas. You arrange things to suit the vast majority and do ad hoc arrangements as needed to suit less common needs.

I've had 4 vaccines and had it three times - I have to test as I work with vulnerable people- the second time was horrific mentally and the last one, about 8 weeks ago has left me with a horrible cough and a diagnosed chest infection.

It's constantly evolving and each strain seem to affect different parts of the body in different people. My GP is very interested in,and doing research on, the after effects and said that early scans on some sufferers' lungs do show tiny un known changes.

It's still a risk for everyone I feel.

Yes it is.

I've had vital respiratory illnesses way before 2019 that give a metallic taste in the mouth. I once had tonsillitis that did the same

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this just shows a lack of understanding about vaccines. They decrease your chances of getting an illness, and decrease the seriousness if you do get it, none are 100%

It's just tough
I know there are vaccine issues, a friend died. But trying to balance it between the being immunocompromised, the risk of covid plus the risk of long covid and then hoping the vaccines are long term safe

I've had my boosters so 8 in total. Just would be mad at myself if I didn't have it and got covid worse next time. I am still cautious with avoiding it

what do you mean I don't want to get off? I assure you I very much do! I would like not to be ill please, if that is a choice! i would like not to be heading back to hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels. I would love to be able to stop coughing and vomiting, and for my temperature to come down - please explain how WANTING to get off this merry-go-round can help

This attitude helps, how, exactly?

If there's incorrect information out there it should be countered with facts.
Public health is about educating the layman, explaining what's known and unknown.
That is not what happened.
If there's downsides - which of course there are, to any policy proposal - you can't expect people negatively affected to accept it and jeer at them when they protest. The authorities have totally cut the legs from under themselves with their messaging. There's no longer any trust there

The dismissal and condescension towards people with different concerns to yours will have reverberating effects for a long time to come.

A line of smiley faces is easy.

I don't know if anyone on here has any SERIOUS doubts, but just in case, ALL reliable quality scientific research shows unequivocally that people who have the covid vaccines are statistically much LESS likely to be seriously ill or die

"Dr" John Campbell is not a doctor, or a scientist, or a statistician. They have a PhD in educational media for nurses. Some of the conspiracy theorists they quote are so totally wrong in their numbers, statistics and theories that it is laughable - most famously the "expected deaths" given in one video, which is lower than the number of deaths in any year in England since records began 200 years ago! And when challenged about anything, his stock response was, "well, I am not a statistician, or a scientist"

I don't know what that person I am ignoring is currently saying, but quoting anything from this person, as they did earlier, is indisputable proof of talking bollox.

@sixtyandsomething that might be true.
But most people can't judge scientific studies for themselves.
So it's a matter of trust. And I argue that the authorities squandered the trust that the vast majority of people placed in them, by sneering and smearing at people who questioned them. When the biggest and most disruptive event of our lifetimes happened, questions were asked, and the askers were vilified.

That's not easily rectified, and the results are predictable.

but it is very straight forward, and very easily verifiable, so conspiracy theorists are just choosing to be oppositional and dramatic for fun, really - they mostly know they are talking rubbish. I am sure they do

I am not so sure that that's it.

The science may be clear, but I'm not a scientist. I can't read a scientific paper or compare it to another, I must trust someone else to do it for me.

If you don't trust the government, if you don't trust institutions, or the press, why would you believe what they say? They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. Greedy, liars, power hungry, moralistic, ideologically captured - take your pick.

We don't owe them blind obedience. It's OK to question authority.

It's only in times of crisis that the lack of social cohesion and trust in political and civil leadership becomes evident.

Just a laundry list of conditions it has caused and harmed healthy people with

My husband had 1 and has had heart problems ever since
A mate of ours was a builder before covid
Got jabbed and now has a dodgy heart from it and has to medically retire, will have a pacemaker soon
My old neighbour now does have a pacemaker from the jabs - her 2nd took her out
The guy who installed our solar almost collapsed on our roof after his 2nd
My MIL left side went numb for almost a week after her 3rd
A friends stepdad got one of the 'turbo' cancers, he is now dead

Ive never been jabbed, never sick and i live a far from healthy lifestyle. I can count on 1 had how many veges i eat in a week, i smoke, drink, never masked or distanced, worked retail with a kid in school
Everyone i know who didnt get it? Not sick at all, no covid, no flu, no other issues popped up - we cant all be that lucky

So sorry, not sorry, we dont buy into the BS, we wont be jabbing or masking for anyone as from what we have seen in our own lives, they have harmed more than they have helped

Nah, i just dont blindly trust anyone - no matter their title
I go by what i see in my day-to-day life

Blind trust is dangerous
People in power do not have the interests of everyone at heart, they have their back pocket in mind
They have their job security in mind
People in power will lie, belittle and deceive to get the outcome they want

We have taken my children to Dr when they've been poorly, one had a strange cough, and nurses said 'oh definitely croup' In comes a doctor and said it was just a Virus and not croup. He said was just a random virus! 2016 this ! Next day son was fine, and his cough had gone. Strange random viruses hey

wow, there are some nutters on here! I am a scientist myself (pathology), and a science teacher, and really, the most basic level of scientific comprehension, preGCSE would easily confirm that the covid vaccines have saved millions of lives.

There is always going to be a risk, but the benefits hugely outweigh the risks, covid vaccines are keeping me alive, they have not done me any damage at all, they have protected me, covid is a dangerous virus which has many long term consequences. None of these vaccine side effects are genuine.

"Turbo cancers" indeed ! 😂😂😂😂my cancer is inherited, and is identical to the one that killed my mum 40 years ago, but thankfully treatment is better now.

I think you just know a lot more people with cancer these days because we live a lot longer, are fit and active and out and about, much of the time. My mother's disease, diagnosis to death, around a year, of which she was in hospital or bed ridden for over half, so you might have seen her walking around for about 4 months. Me, on the other hand, have had it for 3 years, and been about and about and working for most of that time, in bed/ home or hospital for around 20 weeks ( In sections, I have just added it up) so actually, just from our type of aggressive "turbo! cancer - you will have seen me for 5 or 6 times longer than you would have seen my mum, on the street, or at work. so far.

I suppose I should be shocked or alarmed at the amount of fundamental ignorance and gullibility of all the conspiracy theorists on here but actually, I am finding you VERY entertaining. After all, you are tiny in number, just swarm to a covid thread like a swarm of wasps!

And you can't argue with batshit!

So thanks for giving me a really good laugh

( and thanks also to all the normal posters for your solidarity and support)

I have read and reread this, and can't understand what you are saying, you took your child to the doctor with a virus, you were told he had a virus, he then recovered from the virus?

This is the most outrageously rude, patronising, insensitive and ignorant comment. Telling the PP she should have “fought off” cancer. And “vaccine should be keeping that sickness away” - I expect this has been said but the reason there is a flu jab every year, is that it is targeted at the most prevent strain of the flu that year, and some people still catch it, they catch a different strain. People are entitled to magical thinking about their own health I suppose, but they should certainly refrain from inflicting it on other people and blaming them.

I guess we're just different

I know when I have a cold or flu and use traditional remedies to treat them, I don't need government guidelines to show me how to think.