To happily pay an extra £2000 per year to....

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• see a GP f2f without a wait of 4 weeks and efficient onward referral as needed to sort the issue
• have my children taught by subject teachers and supported by TAs
• drive my car without hitting numerous potholes and missing road markings
• enable my elderly disabled neighbour to have more care at home (1 hour a week at the moment)
• ensure my son doesn't languish on the CAMHS waiting list for two years getting more and more broken
• pay public sector workers properly so they are not run ragged covering endless vacancies and schools and hospitals are viewed as aspirational and supportive places to work
• support government led, empowered oversight bodies of our water, rivers, trains and buses
• help the MNs on here with heart breaking experiences of seeking support with their SEN children

And on and on...all for £2k a year per FAMILY. I assume I will pay more as a higher earner. FINE. let's make it fair not equal.

This.

The tax money we already pay is wasted on inefficient systems. If the existing money was managed efficiently and in the public interest, it might well be enough.

I would happily pay more if I thought it would actually achieve the things you say, but it won't.

Whitesapphire · Yesterday 20:09

Speak for yourself, I already pay a huge amount of tax. Countless people are not paying any income tax at all. It’s those who need to start paying in so we can have better public services.

I'm a higher rate tax payer and don't object to a bit more tax. We need a functioning country with good infrastructure; hospitals, schools, roads, care, the whole lot.

Do you mean people on low wages, or non-working people?

70isaLimitNotaTarget · Yesterday 22:2

VED should be paying to repair potholes , not coming out of that £2,000.

VED isn't ring fenced and much of it goes to the general pot. Sumak promised to reserve it for roads, then U-turned on it.

If there was certainty that this would happen then I would consider it. However experience tells us that the money rarely goes to where it is needed most and it would probably be frittered away or allocated elsewhere and we would be none the wiser.

I agree OP. Plus the money generated would benefit different groups differently- ie. those in need of any of those services more, and will create jobs in those areas.
Where does the income currently generated go? Certainly not to those in need. This is about additional tax income too, so under Labour they'd allocate the existing pot differently as well as this additional income.
I think it demonstrates that things really would be different under Labour - and this being discussed now will help them achieve it if they get in, cos they can say we all knew about the tax required to deliver their plans.

I don't trust the Tories but Starmer never actually answers a question. Too much time as a barrister evading and obscuring the truth. There is no money to do anything without raising the cash somewhere. Then there is the issue with immigration and women's safe spaces/rights. I have never been facing an election before when I really don't want to vote for anyone but I can't vote for a man who thinks 1% of women have a penis.

The government waste so much money, that I think that needs to stop first before raising taxes.

In rural areas of Denmark people don't have a GP but go to ER. The country lacks doctors and nurses.
Schools are in rapid decline. Not enough teachers. Lots of 20 yo TAs teaching classes on their own. Don't expext SEN care at school. The aim is 97% of children in mainstream school with inclusion as main idea.
Care homes, nurseries and hospitals understaffed and staff underpaid.
Children wait for years on autism/ADHD assessments and treatment and hospital treatments list are long. Waiting to see a specialist the same in psychiatry and most other fields equally for adults and children.
Cuts all over the line in public service.
People are also homeless in Scandinavian. Lack of adforable housing for ordinary people too.

It's not the paradise a lot of Brits think.

But some of those aren’t central government issues. Potholes for example. So you’re also relying on central government increasing local authority spend

if it walks like a brexit bus advert and talks like a brexit bus advert it probably is.

Fact checker analysis interrogates Tory assumptions on £2k and surprise surprise gives them misleading in the extreme https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-sunaks-claim-labour-would-raise-taxes-by-2000

I don't know where we'd find 2k per year.
I think if I had it though I'd put it towards getting some support for my son rather than waiting on camhs.

An autism assessment that's properly recognised can be about 4k.

I dont think it’s fair to target working households with more tax when wages are already low in a lot of cases and everything is so expensive.

With so much inequality, wealth should be targeted for increased tax first. There’s also loads of generous tax reliefs available that could be closed too.

I can't afford to pay any more tax. As a single person I'm really struggling. I'm 43, I've lived on my own the last 8 years. I live in one of the cheapest areas of the UK, I can't afford to live anywhere else.

I got a modest pay rise last year, then shortly after a notice that my rent was going up. When I calculated it, that wipes out my pay rise over the year.

I work full time and always have, paid tax since I was 16, never been out of work, but all my tax money seems to go towards supporting other people. I luckily haven't even used the sodding moneypit NHS for years.

I can't pay more taxes I've got nothing left at the end of the month as it is.

I don't expect help whatsoever (which is a good job seeing as I'd be entitled to nothing) but am expected to pay for people who don't want to work. I'm not talking about disabled people before you start. I'm talking about people who do not want to work and will do anything to avoid it and just take the handouts. I know plenty of them where I live and through my work.

I just don't see why I should pay more.

Also as an eye opener have a look at @ WokeWaste on Twitter, see how much of our tax money is being pissed away on nonsense every single year.

I'd be happy simply for a better NHS and functioning justice system. Providing corporate taxes were reformed first.

Absolutely not, I pay enough taxes as it is! They need to manage the way they spend the money. Maybe if they didn’t waste so much money on PPE contracts in Covid that were not up to standard and got binned and retrieve public money from people like Michelle Mone for starters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67736860

If £2000 per taxpayer was really going to make all that happen, then yeah, great, absolutely.

But the public sector pisses money away like no one's business.

Countless don’t pay any income tax because they don’t earn enough

The Spectator ran the Conservatives figures using the same faulty methodology.

Guess what, you'll pay more.

"Another number: £3,018. That's how much Tories will raise taxes under the same (daft) methodology spectator.co.uk/article/on-sun…"

x.com/frasernelson/status/1799162430360019134?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Neither figure is reliable. It's just that the Conservatives want to frighten voters.

"On Sunak’s maths, Tories will lift taxes by £3,000 per household | The Spectator" https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-sunaks-maths-tories-will-lift-taxes-by-3000-per-household/

It's a made up number folks.....You may as well ask yourself how much additional tax you personally would elect to pay....We can ask make up a number.

The bureaucracy in the NHS is down to political meddling by politicians and DHSC - the internal market, Lansley’s 2012 “reforms”, constant tweakage to mitigate the absolute disaster of Lansley’s fuckwittery.

Actual management in the NHS - by which I mean leadership, quality improvement and quality management, positive culture - is conspicuous by its absence in very many areas. The NHS is under-managed. We spend far, far less on it than any other country’s health system, or large organisation.

DH and I would gladly pay £2000 p.a. each for our public services. Household income is £150k.

I think Sunak’s lies about Labour’s intentions have backfired. There’s lots of talk like this amongst top rate taxpayers.

Agree with the op but we need to be targeting unearned income - people who work for a living have been bankrolling investment trusts, windfalls, inheritances, house sale profits etc for too long

You'd vote to pay thousands more in tax for something you know is never going to happen ?. That's just beyond stupid.

This isn't even a thing. 2k per family doesn't mean that people would pay an extra 2k, it means the extra tax revenue needed would be the equivalent of 2k per family and wouldn't actually come out of our pockets.