To happily pay an extra £2000 per year to....

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• see a GP f2f without a wait of 4 weeks and efficient onward referral as needed to sort the issue
• have my children taught by subject teachers and supported by TAs
• drive my car without hitting numerous potholes and missing road markings
• enable my elderly disabled neighbour to have more care at home (1 hour a week at the moment)
• ensure my son doesn't languish on the CAMHS waiting list for two years getting more and more broken
• pay public sector workers properly so they are not run ragged covering endless vacancies and schools and hospitals are viewed as aspirational and supportive places to work
• support government led, empowered oversight bodies of our water, rivers, trains and buses
• help the MNs on here with heart breaking experiences of seeking support with their SEN children

And on and on...all for £2k a year per FAMILY. I assume I will pay more as a higher earner. FINE. let's make it fair not equal.

I'd pay a lot more than that for decent public services tbh.

I wouldn’t, because as mentioned they will just take the tax money and not deliver on any of it. So I’d rather pay the minimum tax amount and just sort myself out tbh.
I don’t really believe any promises from politicians because they do not follow through

This is why Blair's Labour gave child benefit to everyone with a child and had Sure Start.

Even if you were childless at the time you didn't have to put up with your relatives with children moaning so much.

I agree entirely and have just said the same. I don't want tax cuts I want to live in a society that works. I want public services that are well funded. I don't want pot holes in every street. I want a high street with no boarded up shops.

Agree OP! 100%!

Voting for something you know won't happen. So any one can say anything that you like but you know they won't do and you will still vote for them? Why?

For £2000 a year I'd pay for my child to have private therapy, get myself health insurance and help out my elderly neighbour on a rota with my other neighbours like we used to do...and I'd still have a bit of cash leftover

OP, none of the things you list would happen. Please God that any extra taxes raised don't get put into the NHS .... what an utter waste that would be.

Yes, I agree. In Scandinavia, they pay higher taxes etc but they have a much better quality of life. It seems worth it to me.
The only people disagreeing with the principle seem to say ‘Yeah, but it won’t happen because Labour…’ But we haven’t had this government before and the Tories have proved, for over a decade now, that they are intent on making ordinary people’s lives worse.
Personally, I’m willing to taking the gamble. A tenner a month is a no-brainer.

All of this will take much more than this, and there isn't the infrastructure to even implement any of it which will also cost a fortune. Who even said this was a possibility?

I would pay 2k if it was 2k and if it was effectively deployed
sadly…its not going to be 2k as over 50% of adults are not net contributors (ie they take out more than they contribute) and 10% of earners pay 60% of all income tax

Absolutely. £2000 a year is a bargain.

Pie in the sky, how many families would pay it, only a fraction of people (most would want to be beneficiaries) and it would be nothing like enough

Yes I would. But lots of people wouldn't be able to.

You won’t get that for some people paying an extra £2k per year. That’s just magical thinking

No.
We already have the highest tax burden for god knows how many years.

I share your frustrations with the things you mention. And if a little extra money could solve the problem, then perhaps you have a point. But, in most cases, it’s not lack of funds it is mismanagement.

I also worry that increasing taxes for improved services will be the thin end of the wedge where more people will pay more tax and see no benefit at all; whereas a small number of people will see a better service for a short time. This will make society more decisive in the long run.

Unfortunately I’m old enough to remember other promises of “extra penny in the pound” for this or that. It’s just turned out to be the extra penny.

You do realise this isn't a flat £2k oer household being proposed don't you? Forgetting the £2000 over 4 years or whatever detail. This is the average amount per household, so low income households paying low/no tax would see no increase, but instead households with higher incomes would shoulder the cost. As a householder with an income of approx £150K I'd be paying considerably more than the £2k (or a quarter of this per year) and i say yes please - very happy to contribute towards improving the country i live in and undoing some of the damage done by the tories

For those saying it won't get spent on those things, what are you basing this on? Look up eg NHS waiting lists under Labour vs Tory rule, the evidence is pretty clear.

Labour don't get everything right, far from it. But Tories have got just about everything wrong, lying and cheating and being unashamedly corrupt and siphoning off billions to their mates in the process. It's time for a change.

Public services were way better under the last labour govt vs now. admit it people.

I agree. We're very fortunate that we could afford it, and I would far rather pay a bit more tax and have a functioning public sector.

Whatever tax rises there have to be, it won't be on everyone. The higher paid pay more, as it should be.

Alright daddy warbucks, you splash that cash.

No I wouldn’t even though I can afford it. The Tories need to explain why taxation is at a 70 year high but services are shit. Where’s the money going? Mates? PPE VIP Lanes? Where is our money today?

I’m sick to death of being asked to throw more money into an ever expanding black hole.

All I see is more demands that higher earners on PAYE like me get shaken down for more and more. And not only are we asked for more but we are insulted at the same time.

No more until a full independent audit is done.

Of course you'd be happy when you are on the famous Mumsnet six figure salary and live comfortably ....like they say, the trouble with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money

Yes. We need to pay what things cost. In addition to closing tax avoidance loop holes and getting what's owed and more from the energy companies and all other big businesses. There is enough for everyone if politicians choose to make it so.

Then we’ll not have better public services then will we? We are a real outlier compared to other European countries in having such a low basic rate of tax. If basic rate of tax went from 20% to 30% we would get better public services. That’s how the rest of Europe does it. But in the UK we prefer to think that there are mythical ‘wealthy’ that we can milk further to pay our tax for us, someone ‘not me’. These people don’t exist. If we want better public services we ALL have to pay for them.

The reason the Scandinavian example given above works is that have LOADS of political parties so every government is essentially a coalition government, not 2 main parties and a handful of weak wannabes.
Their countries are not as elitist and everyone has equal opportunity. Starting from the ground up, children have better conditions, more choices of directions in education and everything is unionised. With more parties and unions, there are constant checks and balances, so their version of the Labour Party for example would have 2-4 similar thinking parties competing for the Labour votes. Keeps them on their toes.
We have over half a million unemployed 16-24 years old and that number grew 6% in the last year. We are laying the foundations for disaster in years to come.