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To happily pay an extra £2000 per year to....

211 replies

Fatcish · 07/06/2024 20:04

  • see a GP f2f without a wait of 4 weeks and efficient onward referral as needed to sort the issue
  • have my children taught by subject teachers and supported by TAs
  • drive my car without hitting numerous potholes and missing road markings
  • enable my elderly disabled neighbour to have more care at home (1 hour a week at the moment)
  • ensure my son doesn't languish on the CAMHS waiting list for two years getting more and more broken
  • pay public sector workers properly so they are not run ragged covering endless vacancies and schools and hospitals are viewed as aspirational and supportive places to work
  • support government led, empowered oversight bodies of our water, rivers, trains and buses
  • help the MNs on here with heart breaking experiences of seeking support with their SEN children

And on and on...all for £2k a year per FAMILY. I assume I will pay more as a higher earner. FINE. let's make it fair not equal.

OP posts:
Cotopoxy · 07/06/2024 21:14

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 07/06/2024 21:07

Yes. We need to pay what things cost. In addition to closing tax avoidance loop holes and getting what's owed and more from the energy companies and all other big businesses. There is enough for everyone if politicians choose to make it so.

Tax advisor here. Give me 3 tax avoidance loopholes that you’d close to raise serious money. Can’t name any? Guess what, they don’t exist! These are some things you could do tinkering around the edges. Put inheritance tax on pension pots. Disallow AIM investments from IHT relief. But there is no way this would raise serious cash. But the politicians trot out ‘close tax avoidance loopholes’ whenever they have an uncosted policy that they want the gullible to believe we can afford.

If you really wanted to hit tax avoidance, ban cash, just get rid of it totally, and drop the VAT rate to £10k. Not popular policies but would help close the tax gap.

SnapdragonToadflax · 07/06/2024 21:14

Cotopoxy · 07/06/2024 21:09

Then we’ll not have better public services then will we? We are a real outlier compared to other European countries in having such a low basic rate of tax. If basic rate of tax went from 20% to 30% we would get better public services. That’s how the rest of Europe does it. But in the UK we prefer to think that there are mythical ‘wealthy’ that we can milk further to pay our tax for us, someone ‘not me’. These people don’t exist. If we want better public services we ALL have to pay for them.

I didn't say wealthy? I'm certainly not wealthy, we're very much middle earners but we're comfortable. People on minimum wage or very low wages - who are struggling to buy food and heat their homes - should not have to pay more tax.

I agree that as a society we should pay more tax, but we need a better basic income first.

BurbageBrook · 07/06/2024 21:16

Firstly.i would but secondly that figure is bullshit so please don't give it airtime!

ByBrightSloth · 07/06/2024 21:17

You think this is possible if tax payers pay an extra 2k?

Bluevelvetsofa · 07/06/2024 21:17

Yes, I’d make that sort of contribution, but I’d want to be confident that the money was not frittered.

Funding for clinical staff not administrators.
Funding for teachers and support staff,
funding for repairs to school buildings and funding per pupil. No money for academy CEOs or Ofsted.
LAs to work efficiently to repair the infrastructure of council owned property, including roads.

I know it won’t happen, but we can dream.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/06/2024 21:19

Yes, I would, but it’s also not true

Ereyraa · 07/06/2024 21:19

Nope, I pay enough.

Temushopper · 07/06/2024 21:20

I’d be all for taking another 3% off NI and adding 5% onto basic rate of tax. That shift would slightly increase what is paid in tax on earned income and bring in additional revenue on unearned income. Also would make inheritance tax payable much more broadly applicable and I’d raise capital gains tax as well.
I think it would cost us more to do the above than pay £2k over 4 years but I’d be more in favour of it if there were clear signs wealth would be taxed alongside income

Swingingvvoter · 07/06/2024 21:20

Definitely not we are not earning enough we are just at a point where we have a tiny bit of slack. In a few years sure but after all the covid issues, col, cc etc 2 grand is a hell of a lot too us

Jeannie88 · 07/06/2024 21:22

If in a position to do so, so less than £200 a month I would. Not necessarily fair of course but if affordable a no brainer. Xx

Temushopper · 07/06/2024 21:23

Cotopoxy · 07/06/2024 21:14

Tax advisor here. Give me 3 tax avoidance loopholes that you’d close to raise serious money. Can’t name any? Guess what, they don’t exist! These are some things you could do tinkering around the edges. Put inheritance tax on pension pots. Disallow AIM investments from IHT relief. But there is no way this would raise serious cash. But the politicians trot out ‘close tax avoidance loopholes’ whenever they have an uncosted policy that they want the gullible to believe we can afford.

If you really wanted to hit tax avoidance, ban cash, just get rid of it totally, and drop the VAT rate to £10k. Not popular policies but would help close the tax gap.

How about having an estate have the same tax free allowance as a person (so £12.5k ish currently) & everything above subject to same rate of tax as income. I don’t know what the numbers would be but surely that would make a significant amount of money. It seems like you’d always get more overall by upping taxes that hit the majority vs those that only hit very high earners.

nobeans · 07/06/2024 21:23

Can't afford it sorry

Emeraldsrock · 07/06/2024 21:24

The Scandinavian countries don’t sneer at the middle classes and those that have done well for themselves like they do in the UK.

We have a small business dealing with corporate companies so cross every line and every t when it comes to tax. Sick of seeing tradesmen take the mick when it comes to tax and not a thing is ever done about it.

Temushopper · 07/06/2024 21:24

Temushopper · 07/06/2024 21:23

How about having an estate have the same tax free allowance as a person (so £12.5k ish currently) & everything above subject to same rate of tax as income. I don’t know what the numbers would be but surely that would make a significant amount of money. It seems like you’d always get more overall by upping taxes that hit the majority vs those that only hit very high earners.

I can’t think there are many loopholes left. Most I know of defer tax rather than avoid it entirely

Fangisnotacoward · 07/06/2024 21:28

If that money was guaranteed to improve services and invest in infrastructure of essential services, then, yes, yes I would. No problem

Cotopoxy · 07/06/2024 21:28

Emeraldsrock · 07/06/2024 21:24

The Scandinavian countries don’t sneer at the middle classes and those that have done well for themselves like they do in the UK.

We have a small business dealing with corporate companies so cross every line and every t when it comes to tax. Sick of seeing tradesmen take the mick when it comes to tax and not a thing is ever done about it.

Our local takeaway is cash only and I can guarantee that most of it is not being declared. Cash, cash, cash is the issue! If the only way of getting paid was money transferred into your business bank account if would be a start.

ZarZarGabor · 07/06/2024 21:30

Even on conservatives calculations (which are disputed) it’s over 4 years, so £500 a year max

blueshoes · 07/06/2024 21:37

I already pay that by using private education and private medical and saving the government money on top of paying many multiples of 2000 in tax over decades.

Happy for others to step up.

BobbyBiscuits · 07/06/2024 21:39

Yep. Cheap at the price. That figure is bs though. It wasn't endorsed by the treasury.

LeiaOrganaBananaHamock · 07/06/2024 21:40

Lovelygreen24 · 07/06/2024 20:33

For £2000 a year I'd pay for my child to have private therapy, get myself health insurance and help out my elderly neighbour on a rota with my other neighbours like we used to do...and I'd still have a bit of cash leftover

Which health insurance company quoted you under £2000 please? My last quote was just over £9000

Farmwifefarmlife · 07/06/2024 21:40

GodzillaAttacks · 07/06/2024 20:11

But it wouldn't happen.

They'd take the money and not do it.

Look at all the tax money they've squandered over the years, that could have fixed any number of those things.

You're making the assumption they actually care about the general public. They care about keeping their own wages

I agree with this. Would be amazing if they did what the OP had posted.

bananasplitsallround · 07/06/2024 21:45

Yes, I would too. Bud what makes you think you would ever get that for your £2000? Not a chance!

LaNuitPorteConseil · 07/06/2024 21:47

I’m expected to believe that although for my £50k of tax I already pay, I (and others) get terrible services, that if I pay £500 - £2000 per year more, those services will be great.

Yeah, I don’t believe that.

SpudleyLass · 07/06/2024 21:49

Fatcish · 07/06/2024 20:04

  • see a GP f2f without a wait of 4 weeks and efficient onward referral as needed to sort the issue
  • have my children taught by subject teachers and supported by TAs
  • drive my car without hitting numerous potholes and missing road markings
  • enable my elderly disabled neighbour to have more care at home (1 hour a week at the moment)
  • ensure my son doesn't languish on the CAMHS waiting list for two years getting more and more broken
  • pay public sector workers properly so they are not run ragged covering endless vacancies and schools and hospitals are viewed as aspirational and supportive places to work
  • support government led, empowered oversight bodies of our water, rivers, trains and buses
  • help the MNs on here with heart breaking experiences of seeking support with their SEN children

And on and on...all for £2k a year per FAMILY. I assume I will pay more as a higher earner. FINE. let's make it fair not equal.

You can afford that. Plenty can't.

Starmer is going to price my SEN child out of the only school ( private) who will take her and I have to rely on enough benefactors existing to take her education because the state are twats and wil lfind any excuse under the moon not to.

adviceneeded1990 · 07/06/2024 21:50

I’d pay it in a heartbeat for all those things, but in reality I’d pay it and get none of those things!

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