AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

Completely agree. God knows there are enough dogs around - if people want a dog as a substitute human, get one of the more docile breeds.

Honestly I have seen the racist one used many times on social media by these breed apologists.

I also think the pts rate of these dogs will speed up.After all their owners are not the most financially astute shall we say and might pay many thousands for one of these dogs but begrudge paying out vet fees.
There was a big movement to threaten vets by the breed apologists on social media when the ban first came in, but I can see more dogs being just quietly taken to the vet for pts without fanfare.

Your relatives large dog won’t be a Staffie. They are roughly the same height as a cocker spaniel according to the breed standard so a medium sized dog. If you see them on something like Crufts you will be surprised at how small they are.

i don’t know why they called you mad either. Did you ever find out? I cba to rtft

I do wonder about the ego of someone who genuinely thinks ‘you are all wrong because you are manipulated by the media and I am built different and can see through it all. Everyone is wrong and I am right because I can see what you can’t’

I also judge someone who starts calling people racists and xenophobic, because of their opinions on XL bullies.

As the daughter of immigrants (on both parents sides) and someone who is mixed race, I find it laughable. And have to question the intelligence of someone who tries to connect the two.

I do wonder about the ego of someone who genuinely thinks ‘you are all wrong because you are manipulated by the media and I am built different and can see through it all

Combination of super-large ego with a good dollop of stupid. Dangerous combo.

You know what they say when you make assumptions? I’ve got a lovely neighbour with an XL bully. The dog is muzzled, walked and seems to have a good life. She is a responsible dog owner. However, would I allow children or small dog into her house? Not a chance. I trust the neighbour but these dogs are unpredictable.

Where I lived before, it was an estate and unfortunately, there were a few “owners” who had XLs. One dog was often in the small front garden, repeatedly throwing itself against the fence. It was terrifying as an adult. I’d never walk my family past there!

Escothesia your relatives large dog can not be a English staff if its a large dog.
Pure bred Staffs are only just about a medium dog. The ideal standard is up to 16in tall, and weighing no more than 17kg

The large long legged, more athletic looking dogs that many people are now referring to as staff, or buying from unregistered breeders more than likely have pit bull in their heritage. There is a fair number of them, many conform to pit bull type, some get taken away under the BSL.

Unfortunately the same idiots who now have XLs, are the same idiots that had Pit bulls, and the same idiot breeders were 20 years ago crossing staffs with pit bulls.

Absolutely. Organisations like SOSD are as despicable and thick as any owner of any banned breed. And I’m sorry but this man was just as bad. So his job was to “rehab” abused dogs and get them into homes? Basically passing on the problem of potentially dangerous animals.

The mindset of people like this is, I think in part, driven by a peculiar sort of ego. “I can succeed where others failed. I know better than anyone else. I have a gift. I can make the unhomeable, rehomeable”.

They may think exactly like this, but it didn't work out for the lady who lost her hand after 'saving' two XL bullies after the ban in England.
She almost lost a hand:

She said she rescued the two dogs, Storm and Cee, in January shortly after a ban was imposed on the breed in England and Wales

She told how she needed surgery to reattach her hand after the horrific attack at her flat in Edinburgh last month.

The devastated woman wrote on social media: "Imagine having over 100kg ripping you apart, thinking I'm going to die."

The animal lover said she adopted the Bullys, one weighing 57kg and the other 48kg, earlier this year ahead of tough controls on the breed coming into force following a series of killings and maulings

^www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12836966/xl-bully-dog-attack-hand-chewed-leith-edinburgh/^

It is over-confidence.

Yeah I remember thinking the same thing when I read this story, it was up near Dundee or something. This man’s actions had he lived could sadly have contributed indirectly to a lot more deaths at the hands of dangerous dogs.
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He leaves behind five sons - four teenagers and a 10-year-old.
Their mother Eileen died from cancer in February 2013 aged 46.

How awful, I’m sorry but he failed his kids. They already had lost their mother and he chose to do a job like that?

The article says he died “doing what he loves” but I wonder if his children will see it that way when they become adults having become orphaned in childhood due to him “doing what he loved” 🙄

I mean it’s one thing doing a risky job like firefighting and saving actually people from fires but to do a risky job like that which serves no good purpose to society was a great disservice to the world and to his children. I hope he at least had the foresight to take out life insurance.

@LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster Yes my neighbours have a lovely little staffie and he's quite small. About a quarter of the size of some of those XL bullies by my estimation.

Yeah I picked up on that 'Died doing what he loves' bit.

I just couldn't even get my head around it as I couldn't see the positive.

Something about that "died doing what he loved" really rubbed me the wrong way too. Nobody loves being torn to shreds do they.

And yes, he was an irresponsible parent. Seems getting accolades for helping dogs was more important than his human children.

You are exactly right. This man put dogs -unwanted problematic dogs- above his own children, his own flesh and blood.
He rescued dogs to gratify his own ego, pretending he was a hero saving an endangered species.
Maybe that's unfair, maybe some people fall hopelessly and unconditionally in love with dogs; any and all dogs 🤷🏼‍♀️
Maybe it's a compulsion like gambling?

@DysonSphere those two dogs combined are more than double my body weight🥴😱
Is she's a bit simple and can't think beyond large dog = gentle giant?

Or she had a fantasy of herself as a hero saving an endangered species?

I hope he at least had the foresight to take out life insurance
I think that's unlikely. Too reckless, or feckless to plan ahead like that, or to see insurance as a worthwhile use of money.

The OP post was that these dogs should be banned and yes they should or at least be controlled like all other dangerous breeds , my Arguement is really why these dogs have done what they have, and its mainly down to human intervention, how they've been bred and have come to be in ownership, so in that sense it's not the dogs fault but humans . A dog needs to be trained properly the owner needs to show the dog that they are the boss not the dog, so many people during covid got dogs for the sake of it , having no idea or care for how a dog should really be looked after that includes training , socialising and picking up their crap.
Just changing the subject, these 2, 12 year old that have killed, yes they are old enough to know its wrong , but are the parents not to blame too, why were they out? , were they not taught that its wrong to hurt someone, never mind kill, Parents are responsible for children, owners responsible for dogs , that's why I'm not putting the whole blame on these dogs

Of course it's not the dogs fault. A dog has no capacity to make moral choices and therefore cannot be blamed for anything. For the same reason we cannot blame the lion when it kills a gazelle, the lion is following its impulses and instincts and it cannot do anything else.

Yes dogs need to be trained in order that they are subordinate to their owners. However an animal with that much power and aggression will never be subordinate to a human; it is too aware of how easily it can overpower and kill the human.

Parents are responsible for children, owners responsible for dogs, that's why I'm not putting the whole blame on these dogs
Look at you comparing dogs to children, oh what a surprise!
You really believe don't you that the dogs mind is comparable to a child's mind. You really want to think that the dog, with enough training, will be able to tell right from wrong like a child does.

I love my dog and think he’s a genius but he’s not, he’s an animal with animal instincts. If I said “stop you’re hurting him!” to a child who thought he was playing rough and tumble, that child has the cognitive ability to understand my words, a dog does not. It’s incomparable.

The dogs are not ‘at fault’ but they’re genetically and intrinsically dangerous. This is due to humans and bad breeding and it is terrible that dogs have suffered too. The owners should receive the maximum sentence for manslaughter if their dog kills someone else. This is a man made problem but these dogs are too dangerous to be pets in someone’s home.

No idea. I can't even begin to understand putting my life at risk like that, but you might be into something when you say a hero complex might be running strong. Saving these poor misunderstood animals. 'Oh look, everyone says they're dangerous, but I am proving them all wrong, my skills at dog handling are superior...'

My friend and her dog were attacked by an XL bully on Friday, luckily her dog is a staffy or it would likely have been killed, she's also got terrible wounds to her hands from trying to protect him. The woman involved is now posting all over social media that it's the innocent staffy at fault! They're a menace because they're too often owned by people like this!