Why do people say ‘all the parties are as bad as each other’ ?

[Diefrausagtnein]

‘I can’t choose between them’
’Lesser of two evils’
It’s just so flipping cynical and pessimistic. And also lets the current lot off the hook who really have been terrible. Ed Davey and Keir Starmer for example seem fairly sensible and above all honest. Current lot haven’t been. Brexit, Covid corruption, austerity. Really how can other parties that haven’t been in power for 14 years, or ever for that matter, be as bad.

This is exactly my position as well.

I'm just waiting for my daughter to finish her GCSEs before I emigrate abroad.

We’ll see I’m old enough to remember further back than 2009/2010. I agree the Tories are scum, but I don’t have good memories of Labour either. Some of their failings left big scars and it’s difficult to trust again. I will vote to get the Tories out for sure, but I don’t have any confidence in Labour running to the rescue.

And besides all the racist can vote Reform now and Tories won’t win anyway so now is precisely the time to vote Lib Dem or Green if you don’t like the two party yo-yo boom bust.
Which is exactly what all my friends have concluded as well.

In my experience this is parroted by either tory voters who know they can no longer defend the indefensible or people who don’t follow politics or current affairs so have no accurate information on which to base their opinion.

You are completely wrong @Blackcats7 - these are all people educated to at least Master level. And privileged.

Why don’t you start having a look at the demographics of the Lib Dem seats. Mostly the nicest places to live in the country now.

Keir Starmer sensible and honest are two words that do not apply to him at all

Many of us voted for Brexit because we were afraid of what the EU had in mind to impose next. Actually they didn't do much that was extreme as there were economic problems in Germany and a resumption of the France v Germany rivalries especially after Merkel.
Others of us voted for Brexit because we thought that the leaders were not listening to us when we explained or worries. We were worried about cheap labour and the money the immigrants earned going offshore. The money exchange shops like Western Union opened to cater for that market.
They are ignoring us again, Eco warriors closing motorways and cannot be stopped. Illegal migrants being shipped in by lifeboats. Elected MPs being shouted down and threatened. Anti-Jewish rants and threats everywhere.

Political Leaders and Judiciary can't be arsed to do anything to stop the chaos.

It may not be true that 'they' are all as bad as each other but it can look that way at times.

It always amuses me when you see people (usually younger ones) declaring we need to get rid of the lying, corrupt, money grabbing tories. They need to have a look back and realise that Labour are exactly the same 😁

I've only heard it from people looking to justify voting Tory.

Having worked in the NHS under New Labour and then through the Tory austerity years I know what I prefer. Having been a patient of the NHS more recently I know what I prefer.

No way do I agree with everything on the Labour manifesto (gender recognition as an example) but I can't vote Tory, they have made such a mess of everything they claim to be good at.

Could you give me some examples of where Labour siphoned off hundreds of thousands for their young mistresses or billions in contracts to their friends?

Having worked in the NHS under New Labour and then through the Tory austerity years I know what I prefer. Having been a patient of the NHS more recently I know what I prefer.

Absolutely!

And likewise, as someone who has worked in education through both Labour and Tory austerity, I know which was (considerably) better!

Starmer I suspect meant emergency care which for most of us would be NHS.

You can't get emergency care privately

Because both major parties of the UK Uniparty have the same boss, the World Economic Forum.

https://www.weforum.org/people/rishi-sunak/

https://www.weforum.org/people/keir-starmer/

@Diefrausagtnein Because they are.

Im not voting as there is no point. I'm still going to struggle to afford anything. I dont get what labour will do to sort the country out its in a right mess.

Only way I would vote again is if the whole country didn't just keep switching between labour and conservatives over the past decades

@SoEmbarrassed2024 we cant, but politicians can. Look how quickly Boris Johnson was treated for Covid. Normal hospitals at times were overflowing.

For me, it's this. I'm not in the UK. But politicians are the same where I am: pretty much in it for themselves and their huge salaries and pensions. I do vote but am under no illusions that it changes a lot.

Interestingly in my local town I haven't seen any Conservative boards or posters in peoples windows or gardens at all whereas people are displaying for Lib Dems and the Greens. This counters the claim 'they are all the same' as people are happy to be associated with other parties but no-one seems to want to publicise they are a Tory now!

I don't think you can take much from that, the only ones I'm seeing in my area are independent

True, but I can't imagine ANY Government that wouldn't push their Prime Minister or President to the front of the queue in the same circumstances

Usually said by Tory voters.
My reply is that if they're all the same, why don't you vote for one of the others then?
That usually makes them change their tune.

@SoEmbarrassed2024 So what does not mean they should automatically get to the front of the queue just because they are in government

Should have been made to wait like everyone else.

@Kendodd no it makes me not want to vote for anyone at all...

What do you mean you're not being listened to?
Brexit voters got every single thing they voted for. The country took a massive economic hit, young people had fom removed from them, companies, free from EU regulations and free to pump shit in the sea, even the dice was rolled on peace in NI just to please you lot. We have all paid an enormous price so you can get what you wanted, how you complain aren't being listened to.

Yes. What I can’t understand is how many wealthy home owning people over 60 voted to leave when they weren’t for one minute affected by the EU, particularly ones living in the south. If anything they were quite happy to use polish plumbers and Lithuanian builders.
Most people I know who voted to leave did it because they had nothing else to lose. Cameron had gutted the country (some parts of it anyway), they hated austerity, they despised Osbourne. Even hated Thatcher from years back. It was two fingers at the establishment even though we were told by them that it would crash the economy.

“Could you give me some examples of where Labour siphoned off hundreds of thousands for their young mistresses or billions in contracts to their friends?”

They all do it. Tony Blair’s son Euan is now almost a billionaire. I am sure he is talented but a lot of it will be due to the network his father & mother built through their time in office.

It is what happens on the ground. They all get rich eventually, even if it is after the event. So what, it is not exactly the easiest job being PM and the kind of abuse you endure and the risk you and your family are under with all the nutcases running around spouting hate is it.