It's a private school one.....

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

Many threads on MN ... I want to know this: why haven't Labour given any info on their modelling of what will likely happen and the different scenarios that could play out when they impose VAT? It matters - because if they get thus wrong ... and a shed load of kids leave private because their families have scrimped to send them there ... the state sector in some councils will quickly be overwhelmed with kids needing state places that does not exist....which could be a lose lose for everyone! You don't build a new school and resource it in a month.... these things take years . I feel for all kids as they will all lose out if this happens and labour having got contingency in place.
How would you feel if your child is in a good state school , perhaps they get some SEND support...and suddenly there is an influx of private kids as they need the spaces. Class sizes go up to 40, all SEND provision gets cut as not enough funds, extra curricular gets cut and teachers are even more stressed, so the vicious circle if teacher shortages now intensifies....the spiral continues for years to come. Who has won?? No one ....
What are your thoughts on this ?
I don't disagree with the principle that private is a luxury and probably should pay VAT... what I disagree with is the notion you can just implement something that will fundamentally shift things on a seismic way in one big bang. No thought whatsoever. Tell me if you agree or have a different view and why ?

Funnily enough it is the schools who do take their charitable status seriously and give real bursaries that will be the ones that close. Many of the richer schools give pathetic bursaries but plenty do give very good bursaries up to 100% of fees.

Not sure if I follow. How do you imagine they will accomodate all of the additional schools if there are waiting lists on March 1st for all of the Richmond's schools but one to which they put then all of those who didn't get any offer-?

Then I’m surprised you’re not more sympathetic to the thousands of families who find themselves in this position.

Scholarships make me chuckle. It's not straightforward charity at all. The school gets something in return - a child with musical or sporting or academic prowess to boost its results.

Thanks - my child goes to a wonderful free government school thank you!!

Indeed. There’s one nearish me that’s absolutely ruthless about their scholarships and the pupils who get them. Wouldn’t want to be one of the normal kids.

And now they are introducing that special skills based placement (music, sports) also at grammar schools.e.g Tiffin Boys. And no schooarship in return😂

I know she pays enough to disappear from the thread when she’s asked who else she thinks is going to fund her lifestyle, if people like me who she so despises disappear!

Deflect, deflect the question away… are you a politician? A labour politician, by chance?

Answer the question.

Who is disproportionately paying for it? It’s not the people in the careers that you’ve just listed.

You are paying for some of it, yes. So are many other people, including me.

And your attitude on this thread is horrible. Feel free to go to Australia.

I think people are very consciously aware of the welfare state and sick to the back teeth it.

As I said, off you pop and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

@Cush21 "*you should show a little more appreciation"
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Should I curtsy? Call you sir? Maybe erect a statue in your honour? Because you have quite a high regard for yourself, don't you. But I'll say it again, you aren't the only one who works hard and pays taxes. You aren't the only one who contributes. Your arrogance and belief in your own superiority is deafening. Whereas you seem to be mistaking my opposition to private schools as bitterness. I am not bitter because you have money to waste spend on a private education. It's the very existence of that private education I object to, and I'm bitter (and angry) about the structural unfairness it has built and continues to reinforce in our society. And I really am absolutely fed up of wealthy parents on this site being so blind to their privilege bleating on about how unfair life is. Just pay the fucking VAT

What gives you any authority to comment on the waste, or lack thereof, that is private education?

You clearly have no understanding of what is included in the provision…

@Cush21 "I know she pays enough to disappear from the thread when she’s asked who else she thinks is going to fund her lifestyle, if people like me who she so despises disappear!"

Ahhh, you've overplayed your hand. Fair play though, you nearly got me. But now I know you're on a wind up, because nobody would actually seriously write that. I'll give you 6 out of 10 for effort though

Of course I won’t let it hit me on the way out. I only have soft close hinges 😉

@Cush21 aren't you proud to pay a fair share of taxes? I am. You seem to resent it, while pouring contempt on those who cannot pay as much.

The wealthy should be proud to pay - and pay more in fact.

@LittleBearPad

"Backdating to July 5th wouldn’t be hard. How many parents have the cash in their back pocket?"

Backdating to before the 5th July would be unprecedented and very hard. Backdating to the point at which the proposed legislation is formally announced by the new Government is certainly possible and there have been examples of this in the past.

More usual would be to have the effective date and when the new policy comes into effect.

Where's the deflection please? Why would I be a labour politician 🤣
What use do you think money is on its own? Clueless. I suggest you vacate your echo chamber occasionally.

They have. Just over 4 years ago, the Labour Party voted to abolish private schools entirely. Many of those who voted in favour of that are senior figures in the Labour Party, including Rayner the deputy leader, and Reeves the Shadow Chancellor.

Surely everyone has the right to an opinion, though. Even those who don't disagree with private education on principle, may not place value on a private education in the same way that not everyone values a £45 Stanley cup, a £100k porsche or a University degree.

Private school may provide a classical education but it doesn't always bestow empathy or the ability to appreciate other viewpoints or common sense, so in those senses, it is not necessarily any better or worse than a state school.

The mentality of not wanting the raise the standard of living across the entire society in which you live which includes a functioning, fit-for-purpose welfare state seems so small-minded.

@Cush21 good luck in Australia love. Watch out for those massive spiders.

I guess in return it can seem small minded that people seem so gleeful now at the idea of private school families paying more / being forced out but not considering the negative impact this could have for state schools.

Hopefully it will have a net positive outcome but I just worry it could make the state system even more unbalanced. For instance those kids that would have been in private schools taking up grammar school places that could of gone to lower income families (based on higher income families being disproportionately likely to get into grammar schools).

Is that environmentally sound? Sending kids miles out of borough to make a political statement? The very stuff that Brexit propaganda was woven out of: grade A fucking bull shit. If you have so many state places available, why would there be a waiting list? Schools are allegedly empty, except they aren’t, they are oversubscribed and underfunded - which won’t be much improved by an influx of admissions.

I don't think loads of children will end up miles out of borough.it will be a tiny number.